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Buck Grantham R.I.P.
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Denham Springs, LA. USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2002 5:15 pm |
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| Has any one out there ever put a black widow speaker in a FET 500 Evans amp,and if so what did it sound like? |
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Jerry Roller
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Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2002 6:16 pm
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Hi Buck, it sounds very very good, like you need something to make you sound better!! 
See you this weekend!!
Jerry |
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2002 10:25 pm
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| Evans FET 500, Black Widow 1501, long tank spring reverb; I've been playing that for about 11 years. I have over 20 amps and it's my first choice for anything other than trad. swing, and that really should be Bigsby into Standell. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 25 Apr 2002 11:04 pm
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Ed Buffington suggested I put a Black Widow in my SE200 and it was a good suggestion. He's the prez of Evans and he should know. Been playing that way for three years now.
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 26 Apr 2002 9:02 am
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Chas, I've wanted to ask about that long tank thing. I have a fet500HV ('80)and the reverb is very hummy and much too weak, as if not enough signal is hitting the tank. New standard tank made no difference. There's more to this than the tank I'm sure, in any case, how or where'd you get (or make) a long tank for this particular amp? Thanks.
BTW, my Evans has 1501 and it sounds very good ( aside from the verb)[This message was edited by Steven Welborn on 26 April 2002 at 10:06 AM.] [This message was edited by Steven Welborn on 26 April 2002 at 10:07 AM.] |
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Apr 2002 10:12 am
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| Steven, Robert Stamps, when he owned the Amp Shop, said that you just can't put in any long tank, it has to be compatable, which makes sense. So, he said that the one Fender uses wouldn't work and I think he put in the one that Hammond organs use. "Hummy" and weak sounds like a ground problem or maybe the connections are reversed, the electronics guys would know way more about that than I would. |
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autry andress
From:
Plano, Tx.
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Posted 26 Apr 2002 5:40 pm
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Buck: Your tone was great at the Dallas Show.
I was telling a friend if I had to pick the top 3 who had the best tone you would be one of them, & by the way was that your amp Mr. Mooney was using???
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 26 Apr 2002 5:58 pm
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Hi Buck:
I have an Evans SE-200 & SE-150 and I have BW 1501-4 and it makes a huge difference over the stock Evans speaker. I also tried a JBL in these amps and it sounded brittle. The BW speaker is the ticket on these amps.
I think Evans should find a better speaker for their amps as the stock speaker arfe not happening.
Also, John Lemay can get you a different better sounding reverb tank for the Evans. If
you use a Boss RV-3 reverb pdal and mix a little with the amps reverb it sounds nice & lush. |
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Fred Murphy
From:
Indianapolis, In. USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2002 5:53 am
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| I must be the odd one here. I put a 1501 in my 500 FET and didn't think it sounded as good as the stock speaker. I also had to remove some wood to get it to fit the cabinet. I have an older FET 500 with a 1502 in it, and it sounds better than the newer one with the stock speaker, which is why I changed the speaker in the first place. It must have something to do with differences in tone of the same model amp. I also think they both have great sounding stock reverbs. Much better than what you can get with and RV3. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 28 Apr 2002 9:21 am
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| The short reverb tanks are junk, IMHO. They all sound like you're playing in the men's room! There are many different long tanks made, and they will make your amp sound better! |
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 28 Apr 2002 11:34 am
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| If you use a Boss RV-3 reverb pdal and mix a little with the amps reverb it sounds nice & lush. |
I wonder if that's because the spring reverb masks the digital flutter, reverb on reverb. In general, cheap digital reverbs don't sound as good as spring reverbs, to my ears, and you have to spend some money to get a good digital reverb.. |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 28 Apr 2002 2:32 pm
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Donny is correct! Short reverb tanks are not happening. The benchmark for reverb is the standard Fender type (IMHO!) The Peavey Nashvill & Session 400 reverb is good and they use long tanks. My Webb sounds very nice & lush also with a long tank. My Evans amps have short tanks and they sound sterile & a bit weak. However, using the RV-3 with any amps reverb makes it sound very nice.
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Steve Stallings
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Houston/Cypress, Texas
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Posted 30 Apr 2002 4:41 am
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I have four FET 500 Custom LV Evans amps. Two large cab and two small cab. Tthe two large ones have JBL's. The two small ones have stock Evans spkrs. These are all from the 80's, but these speakers all sound wonderful. I've never thought about swapping out the speakers in them. An interesting thought... Just exactly what are the Peavey spkrs? Who makes them? Are they a rebranded emminence? Something made to spec? Just curious.
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Steve Stallings
Bremond, Texas
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 30 Apr 2002 2:25 pm
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My early 80's Evans FET-500 has the original speaker and I think it sounds great. It has the small reverb tank, mounted vertically on one side of the cabinet. It creates a very lush reverb. I only turn the reverb up to about 2 to 2.5. The reverb sounds so good that I've retired my Lex and gone back to the springs.
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Buck Grantham R.I.P.
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Denham Springs, LA. USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2002 3:59 pm
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| Thanks a bunch for the info , think I'll change mine out and see how it sounds. And yes Autry ,Moon uses my Nashville when we play shows. He loves the sound he gets out of that Nashville 400, and I've always liked Ralph. |
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2002 7:10 pm
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| Lee, you gotta early '80 Evans with stock small reverb tank that sounds "lush" and you only need to set dial to 2.5???? Then there's gotta be something that goes amiss in the preamp reverb circuitry in some of these amps over time and it aint the tanks. There must be an electronic egghead out there that can solve this mystery. What is it??? Spent caps? drifted resistors? This seems to be a common ailment with these amps. |
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Jim Smith
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Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2002 7:40 pm
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Steve Stallings now owns two of my Evans amps. I played a large cabinet FET 500 for 20 years and loved it, amp, stock Eclipse speaker, reverb, and all.
If anyone can answer your reverb question it would be Derrell Stephens from the old Evans company. His email is aerostar@softdisk.com |
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Ken Fox
From:
Nashville GA USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2002 7:51 pm
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| I have fixed several weak reverb systems by cleaning the input and output jacks! A bad or wrong tank can cause the weak reverb. The tanks for tube amps have a low (10 ohm) input iompedance, they typically will not work on a transistor amp. Tanks come in a variey of input impedances (10, 150, 190, 310, 1475, and 1928 ohms for Accutronics tanks). If you have the wrong tank, and someone can get you the right number off of their amps tank, can order one from Antique Electronic Supply at WWW.tubesandmore.com. Tanks run from $21 to $23 each. There are other problems that could be dragging down the reverb, electronically speaking. If that the case, it's time for a tech to take a look at it for you. |
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Bill Taft
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Sturgeon Mo. USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 30 Apr 2002 9:00 pm
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I have a 1985 I think Billy Knowles said Darrell Stevens built the amp, and it is a small cabinet, but man what a great sound it puts out. It's a FET-500-CUSTOM-LV. The reverb tank is mounted on the side of the amp instead of the bottom and it has a K130-8 ohm that has been reconed to a 4ohm I beleive thats what Bill Knowles told me.
I dont have a clue what tank is in it but this reverb sounds great as does the amp.
I'm really a old session amp with the JBL person, and dont think there is much out there that will produce the tone of the 74-78 sessions with the JBL'S that peavey put in them years ago, but I find myself using the Evans as much as my old sessions.
I hear from a friend that when Darrell made the amps for EVANS those were the good ones and I tend to beleive it because most every time I use that amp I usally always get an offer to sell it, but I think I have a keeper. I have had 4 webb amps that I think is a great amp no doubt, and several others. but in my opinion, the old evans reverb and all is just all I need besides the older sessions. "MY 2 CENTS"
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Steve Stallings
From:
Houston/Cypress, Texas
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Posted 1 May 2002 4:35 am
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"Steve Stallings now owns two of my Evans amps"
Actually Jim, I bought three of them from you. 
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Bremond, Texas
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Jim Smith
From:
Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 1 May 2002 5:56 am
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| Actually Jim, I bought three of them from you. |
Oh yeah, you're right. Another case of CRS!  |
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 1 May 2002 8:23 am
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Ken, thanks for the info. That could be useful.
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 1 May 2002 8:35 am
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Lee Baucum, it sounds like we could have the same amp. Meaning an fet500HV manufactured basically the same time period. My amps' serial #8044. I hate to be a pest but if it's not too much trouble could you check the number on your Accutronics reverb tank? Many thanks
p.s. I posted this instead of emailed because who knows it might be of interest to others.[This message was edited by Steven Welborn on 01 May 2002 at 09:53 AM.] |
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Ken Fox
From:
Nashville GA USA
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Posted 1 May 2002 6:37 pm
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Just some notes on tanks from my Mojotone catalogue:
Accuctronics tanks numbers:
1st character: 4 = 17" tank, 2 spring
8 = 9" tank, 3 spring
9 = 17" tank, 3 spring
2nd character: input impedance at 1000hz
type 4 tank type 8 and 9
A= 8 ohms 10 ohms
B= 150 ohms 190 ohms
C= 200 ohms 1240 ohms
D= 250 ohms 240 ohms
E= 600 ohms 800 ohms
F= 1475 ohms 1925 ohms
3rd character: output impedance at 1000hz
type 4 tank type 8 and 9
A= 500 ohms 600 ohms
B= 2250 ohms 2575 ohms
C=10000 ohms 12000 ohms
4th character: decay time
1= short, 1.2 to 2.2 seconds
2= medium, 1.75 to 3.0 seconds
3= long, 2.75 to 4.0 seconds
5th character: connector arrangement
A= input grounded, output grounded
B= input grounded, output insulated
C= input insulated, output grounded
D= input insulated, output insulated
6th character: locking device
1= no locking device
7th character: mounting plane
A= horizontal, open side up
B= horizontal, open side down
C= vertical wall, long axis horizontal, connectors up
D= vertical wall, long axis horizontal, connectors down
E= vertical wall, long axis vertical, input up
F= vertical wall, long axis vertical, output up
The only vertical wall tanks that are avaiable from Mojotone or Antique Electronics catalogues are the 8DB2C1D. That is:
9" tank
310 ohm input
2575 ohm output
medium delay
input insulated, output grounded
no lock
vertical wall, long axis horizontal, connectors down
Hope that helps. I have an 8AB3C1B, short tank, long delay, works in tube amps. I test old Fender amps with it. It's a three spring, long delay. It has a very lush reverb. The trick is to get the three spring, long delay for your amp. Theses are recommended for vocals, keyboards, and steel guitar applications. I understand that the Rivera tube amps use the three spring, long delay and they sound great!
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 5 May 2002 12:33 pm
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My Evans is an FET-500 LV, serial #8550. It has the large cabinet. If I remember correctly, Darrell built it for me in about 1984. I suffer from CRS, so I may be wrong about the year.
The number on the Accutronics reverb tank is 8FB2B1F. It has three springs.
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