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Topic: SGHOF Board. What Now? |
Eric West
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Posted 17 Dec 2005 12:42 pm |
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Not that I spend a lot of time on the subject, but now that my friend Julian Winston is transformed from this earthly realm, I'm wondering about the Future of the SGHOF.
First of all, in another few years there are going to have to be expeditions into the deep woods to find anybody that ain't in it, to put in it, and somehow Bobbe Seymour, his friend Reece, Tom Bradshaw, b0b, Drew, Julian Tharpe and a couple others sit, the "Elephants in the Room" without a slot.
Second of all, since the politics surrounding the selection, and non-selection are just about as prominent as the HOF itself, is there a chance that it might get even thicker?
How about a Board Member getting offered a HOF slot to drop his or her opposition to another player that a fellow board member sponsors? It couldn't hurt.
How about a "Reinduction" process, or a "Removal" for deeds uncovered previously hidden?
Is there an induction period limit like the one Pete Rose just lapsed over in the BHOF?
What's up?
Are there any Women or Minorities being considered for the HOF Board? I'd think that'd spice up the process a bit.
EJL
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Drew Howard
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Posted 17 Dec 2005 2:17 pm
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HAHA!
I do happen to live in deep woods, though.
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 17 Dec 2005 2:54 pm
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Why haven't I been inducted? 
As the many and sometimes heated, "disuccsions" that have previously been on the forum never settled or changed anything in the HOF selections I doubt that anything here will be any different - whether the HOF is right or wrong (and that depends on someone's personal view).
I do think the HOF plaques should be somewhere other than the basement of a Hotel in downtown St Louis. Where? but it should be somewhere more accessable and visible. The HOF has been raising money for years for a building but realistically unless there is a large donor somewhere I doubt that it will ever become a reality. |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 10:38 am
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| Are there any Women or Minorities being considered for the HOF Board? |
Winnie was Jewish, as is the man chosen to replace him, Herb Steiner.
I think the HOF definately made the right choice when they invited Herb to join I can't think of a more qualified person to take Winnie's place. Herb is not only an outstanding player, he is also a great scholor who has really studied then history of country music and the steel guitar in a way that few others have.
Congratulations Herb, You truly deserve this honor.
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Herb Steiner
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Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 11:34 am
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Mike, I appreciate the congratulations, but I've been on the Steel Guitar Convention Board, which is the official name of the HOF Committee, for three years now. In 2001 my name was suggested by Jeff Newman and Bob Maickel, and Scotty asked me if I'd be interested in participating. I wasn't asked to replace anyone, merely to complement the committee. The first year I voted was 2002.
The members of the Board at the time I joined were Scotty, Bob Maickel, Fred Layman, Tom Bradshaw, Bobby Caldwell, Winnie Winston, Jeff Newman, and myself.
As everyone knows, both Jeff and Winnie have passed on in the last two years. This September we asked Al Brisco if he'd be interested in becoming a member of the Board, and he accepted. The membership of the Board is now Scott, Maickel, Layman, Bradshaw, Caldwell, Steiner, and Brisco.
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Walter Stettner
From:
Vienna, Austria
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 12:04 pm
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Winnie never mentioned his jewish status to me and I'd swapped correspondence with him for several years. He didn't look any different than several Irishmen I've known.
Stupid me.
EJL |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 12:06 pm
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Good choice. And, Herb, I'm sure you're doing a fine job of complimenting the board every chance you get.
(My, my, isn't that a nice suit, Mr. Bradshaw. And, oh, Mr. Caldwell, did you get your hair cut? It looks fabulous!) |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 2:09 pm
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| Oops I forgot to mention all the Australasian, Asian, Indian, Hawaiian and others... but then again so did the SGHOF |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 3:48 pm
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I was wondering when Al's inclusion would be made public.
He deserves it, and I've been wailting a long time to publically congratulate him.
Congrats Al! |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 3:53 pm
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OOOpps. My mistake. I thought Herb was invited to join this year. I still think He was the right choice though. Ditto for Al.
Eric, Winnie would mention being a Jew when it was relevant to a conversation. (As do I.) But when he was talking about something else, he didn't mention it. You and he probably talked about steel guitars and other subjects where his religion was irrelivant.
Can you picture him saying "The A pedal raises the 5th and 10th strings a whole step, the B pedal raises the 3rd and 6th string a half step, and I'm Jewish?"
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HowardR
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 4:13 pm
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| the B pedal raises the 3rd and 6th string a half step, and I'm Jewish?" |
Wouldn't that half step raise make him half Jewish?
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| god forbid a foreigner ever gets there |
Al Brisco.....there you go Bas. A foreigner is now on the board.
[This message was edited by HowardR on 18 December 2005 at 04:20 PM.] |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 4:32 pm
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My point is of course that the fact of Winnie and Herb's being Jewish was not a factor in their being asked to be on the board, nor should it have been.
Eric mentioned something about minorities being represented. The sad truth is that all too often people are either given or denied something specifically because they belong to a minority group. But what's really needed in society at large is for it not to matter one way or the other. The HOF board is a shining example of this.
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 5:12 pm
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Hmm.
What was Jeff Newmann?
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EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 18 December 2005 at 05:14 PM.] |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 7:51 pm
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| Jeff Newman? One of the greatest steelers ever! |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 7:59 pm
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No, b0b. I wondered if he belonged to a racial minority. Randy Newmann is Jewish.
You know, maybe it shows my living in a relatively bigot free area, but It's been longer than I can remember since I heard any form of discrimination against Irish, or Italian people, All the jewish people I've dealt with here in portland, I don't think anything really struck me about prejudice against them for any reason. If anything, I always trusted the old guys that identified themselves to me as jewish to treat me honestly on scrap prices in the 60s and 70s.
I'm glad I live in Portland for yet another reason I guess.
I spent 4 years in Maryland/DC which I was definitely glad to get "home" from.
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 8:39 pm
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Jeff was a caucasian, and it's reasoanable to assume he was a Christian. More important was that he was a great player and teacher. that's really all that matters.
I must point out that Judiaism is a RELIGION, and Jews are not a seperate race. There are Black jews, Olive skinned jews, and fair skinned ones like me.
Moreover, one can convert to or from Judiaism if one chooses to do so. One cannot change one's race, Michael Jackson notwithstanding.
(edited for spelling only, not content)
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"Never underestimate the value of eccentrics and Lunatics" -Lional Luthor (Smallville) [This message was edited by Mike Perlowin on 19 December 2005 at 01:11 AM.] |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 8:53 pm
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The membership of the Hall of Fame committee seems to be exclusively white males in the upper-50's to early-70's age bracket. This is the impression I get when attending our once-yearly meeting.
An attorney attending a steel show suggested to me that, in order to satisfy proposed Federal guidelines, our next hire should be a black lesbian amputee. I hope we find one knowledgeable about steel guitar.
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Texas Steel Guitar Association
[This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 18 December 2005 at 08:54 PM.] |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Dec 2005 10:04 pm
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Im gettin' a little confused here..
<:O)
EJL |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 19 Dec 2005 1:14 am
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| our next hire should be a black lesbian amputee. |
Preferably one who doesn't speak English. |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 19 Dec 2005 3:30 am
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Why is the makeup of the board even being discussed. The board members are "board members", not "jewish board members" or "black board members" or "oriental board members", or whatever.
Everyone has their own personal favorites that they think should be in the hall of fame (any hall of fame - country music, rock and roll, steel guitar, etc). Many of our personal favorites do not even qualify for consideration - and what makes someone qualified for consideration is a function of that hall of fame committee and their rules, nothing else. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 19 Dec 2005 6:31 am
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Uh... that would be "asian board members," Jack.
I'm just trying to protect the Forum. The Political Correctness Police are lurking everywhere, ya know.
Baz, re: European (or other) players nominations.
All joking aside, the competition for induction to the SGHOF is fierce. Typically only two players are selected for induction each year. I don't know that the Board has seen any nominations of European steel players that have included the documentation of a "body of work" comparable to some of the other nomination presentations the Board has received.
Bottom line, to anyone desiring his or her fave player being considered for induction, is to first nominate the player, and include the oftentimes extensive research data necessary to "make the case," so to speak.
Typically the Board receives several nominations each year that are each comprised of many pages of data, recordings, testimonials, etc. It's difficult enough to choose when comparing mountains of material submitted, much less getting a simple letter or an email that says "Player _____ should be in the HOF."
That said, there are several native Hawaiian inductees in the HOF, Sol Hoopii, Freddy Tavares, and Joseph Kekuku among them.
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[This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 19 December 2005 at 06:47 AM.] |
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Howard Tate
From:
Leesville, Louisiana, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Dec 2005 6:44 am
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Now that I think about it, I don't remember ever identifying myself as non jewish.
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