You Have To Be Kidding

Sam White R.I.P. · From: Coventry, RI 02816

Can you beleave that they now are comming out with Counrty Rap.First it is Country Rock now Counrty Rap.Why do they have to put Counrty in front of those two words???Is that so it will sell because it has Country in front of them??What is this world comming too.Rock is Rock and Rap is Rap and they need to leave Counrty alone.I hate Country Rock and I sure hate Country Rap.They both
S--- in my book.I like the good old Country music not this sick junk that they try to play.Before I ever play either one of those make up junk I will sell every peice of Equipment I have.
Sam White

Jim Smith · From: Midlothian, TX, USA

Country + RAP = CRAP!

Joey Ace · From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

moved to MUSIC

John Floyd · From: R.I.P.

Definition of:

Music (myoo'zik)

1. The art of producing significant arrangements of sounds, usually with reference to rhythm, pitch and tone color.

2. A musical composition or body of compositions ; also a musical score.

3. A sucession or combination of musical sounds, especially if pleasing to the ear

etc,etc

Just thought this needed to be posted here, so no one would get confused as to what music is and what Rap is.

[This message was edited by John Floyd on 29 June 2004 at 07:25 AM.]

Bobby Sparks · From: Williamston, North Carolina, USA

Thank you John. I agree 100%

Bobby

Jay Fagerlie · From: Lotus, California, USA

You guys are missing the point....
Doesn't this mean rap 'songs' will finally have a melody?

What more could you ask for?!?!?!?! (besides the obvious)

Jay
boom-boom-chka...boom-boom-chka-chka

Steinar Gregertsen · From: Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.

I'm no fan of rap (I don't really dislike it either, just indifferent to it) and I certainly have a hard time imagining how it can fit in with country music, but allow me to play the 'devils advocate' here,-
If it had been a reading of poetry over some instrumental country music, would that have been just as inappropriate?

As for country-rock,- all I know is that if it hadn't been for the country-rock of the seventies I would probably never have grown to appreciate the original country music.

I feel that some of the best that came out of the nineties, musically, was that many of the fences between musical styles were torn down. Not always successfully though, there were some pretty awful stuff coming out of it, but that's how it always will be. As a result of this there has been made some pretty amazing music, and I enjoy this age where people from the different musical styles can collaborate without having to give up their identity (mind you,- I'm not talking about the commercial industry fads here, but the stuff that goes on among real musicians..).

Remember the song "Don't Fence Me In" and always keep an open mind......

Steinar

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Andy Greatrix · From: Edmonton Alberta

"Smoke, smoke , smoke that cigarette" was by definition, a rap song. Also, all those great Red Sovine songs were rap ballads.

Kenny Dail · From: Kinston, N.C. R.I.P.

I don't know what will be called music as time marches on but I will sure as hell be glad when I can pull up to a stop light and not have my ear drums pounded with that ear pounding boom boom thing that the rap lovers seem to embrace when doing thier thing. I don't have to listen to it at home and I sure as hell don't want to listen to in public.

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Bob Wood · From: Madera, California, USA

Shoot! They were doing "Country Rap" on the old TV hit series, "Hee Ha" a long time ago before "Rap" ever became popular!

Bob

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

I respect you for "playing the devil's advocate".

If you would, please let me respond by playing the "Christian's advocate".

I do not agree with the analogies given. They may sound good, but they are not the same, IMO. Red Sovine never sang rap in his life. Nor did any of the others if the truth be known.

Rap was generated and commandeered by a "hate under the surface" psychology using rebellion and the Supreme Court protected so-called "rights" to promulgate and brain wash the "idol worhshippers" into yet another abyss of a cesspool of hell on earth. Which IS coming. Maybe sooner than devil's and satan worshippers realize.

Red Sovine and "Hee Haw" had none of that. Red was a genuinely loving man. So was 99% of those who performed "backyard" poetry on that classic show. In other words, they were not using music to hurt music or bring about more decay of music. Rather they were using "Korn" with loving fun to bring joy to the listener who loved true country music.

In other words, "Grin and bear it", rather than,

"Stick it up yours, you *$#%^$#?*&??@@!!"

Or that is the way this Christian "advocate" sees it.

May God have mercy on anyone that would use music (or anything else) as a front to bring hurt to someone and/or desacration of good.

carl

Bob Wood · From: Madera, California, USA

I understand what you are saying too, but..., here in California the type of "Hate" music you are refering to is called, Hip-hop! The word "RAP" originally stood for "Rhythm And Poetry".

Bob

Steinar Gregertsen · From: Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.

I agree totally that most of todays commercial rap has a very negative message.
But remember, rap is nothing but an (ehm) 'artistic' expression, and it can be filled with whatever one choose to.
Jamaican dub/reggae poet Linton Kwesi Johnson, one of the originators of what later became known as 'rap', preached a message of love, dignity, respect and peace.
So did many of the first modern-day rap artists,- what we see today is what the commercial powers of the music business have created. They seem to destroy pretty much anything they lay their hands on............

Steinar

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Joey Ace · From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

Carl,
I respectfully submit that many of the Negitive values you fault Rap for also exist in Country songs.

There were, and still are, many mainstream Country songs about lyin, cheatin, killin, etc.

If you look into the non-mainstream Country, such as the Johnny Reb and similar, you'll find it filled with open hate-filled lyrics.

I'm not defending Rap, I don't like most of it, I'm just saying there is Good and Bad in all styles.

If artists want to combine styles of music, they should do it. If I like it I'll listen. I don't expect them to tell me what to listen to. I won't tell them what to play.

Mega-Outfits such as Clear Channel are trying to limit what I listen to. I handle that easily by not turning on their stations.

There are plenty of good CDs for sale by independant artists who could use my money.

We all need to buy more of them.

Larry Robbins · From: Fort Edward, New York

Very good post Joey,very well put!

John P. Phillips · From: Folkston, Ga. U.S.A., R.I.P.

My 2 cents worth,

C + rap = crap

c + rock = crock (well, most of it anyway)

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Auset Sarno · From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA

Steinar...Wow, never expected Linton's name to appear on this Forum. Johnson is truly one of the finest and most humble of poet/musician/messengers in pioneer rap (along with The Lost Poets (some of the American forefathers of Rap) I am in the music business and hear new music all day long. Maybe, just 10-15% of what comes through to be mastered is good (IMHO). By good, I mean, thoughtful/witty lyrics; original musical ideas, groove, feel & approach. The rest is just sludge hanging off the coattales of bad music before it. But I never did consider the radio to be the place to find the BEST music, just the place to find music that the music industry wants to push & sell. So I listen now and then to see what's current. Clearly, the music business is more about fads than artist development. And since the music industry is suffering from the age of technology (MP3 downloads, etc.) on the consumer end and (Pro Tools, etc) home-based studios creating pro albums without outrageous/costly studio time) ... The industry is about creating overnight formula sensations. And with the vocal-tuners and enhancements available, who needs talent? The emphasis is more about selling good looks than good licks. Seems that the industry is just reaching for any possibility of making money over making music. A good CD goes a long way for those who are tired of the radio. And the i-pod maximizes everything. just my thoughts...
Auset

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

The "original" rap song has got to be "They're Coming To Take Me Away", by Napoleon XIV (Jerry Samuels).

This mid '60s "song" (which made the top-10 charts, by the way) was completely devoid of music, except for a driving cha-bump-cha-bump-cha-bump drum rhythm, and some siren/whistle sound effects.

Jordan Shapiro · From: Echo Park, California, USA

Hey fellas,

If this thread was generated by my posting that I was hired to play with a country, rap, rock artist(who also happens to be one of us pesky Christ killin' Jews), I just wanted to completely avoid all the self riteous crap being said here(although I DO agree with some of it) and throw some thoughts out:

Where would country music be if the "new radical" breed of country artists(the ones that wanted to play electric instruments or have drums onstage) wouldn't have been allowed on the Grand ol' Opry? I do believe There was a huge outcry by the old school not to let that "modern junk" on the stage. They certainly didn't want a drug and alcohol ravaged Hank Sr. there, and were ready to let (arguably) the best singer/songwriter we know of, rot on the Louisiana Hayride. And what did Lefty Frizell go to prison for in Texas again? Didn't Mr. Paycheck go to prison for shooting a man? Was that before or after Johnny Cash was arrested for smuggling drugs into our United States? Do you think Willie Nelson smokes any weed? The list is endless, and I only bring it up to illustrate that rap ain't the only "musical art form"that has employed and glorified "Ungodly" characters.

Being closedminded has rarely done the music world any good, although sometimes it takes quite a few years for the good to come to fruition from the uncomfortable feelings of change.

Although I do like some rap out there, I'm not someone that owns any rap music, and the Artist I work with doesn't use any electronic "instruments". There is, however, a b@njo player............ Ouch!

I'm with Ace here on the lyrical content of music. I was given a Jonny Reb cd and ......wow. The examples of hate in country music are endless: "I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die", etc.

My first thought after hearing that was how great I thought it was that he sang that song in a prison and they all cheered for him.

Upon closer inspection, however, If one more person comitted murder after that because "Johnny made it cool or okay", how are we any different from a gangbanger taking lives because Dr. Dre rapped about it?

Don't get me wrong here, I like playing honky-tonk music more than anything in the world. It comprises 99% of what I listen to and love. I will, however, come to the defense of someone trying to do something new, even if I don't like the music, because everyone has the right to listen to and invent any kind of music they want. We live in the United States of America here, which entitles everyone to freedom of expression, which is why we all have the right to complain about this stuff too!!

Oh yeah, I"m gettin' paid to play this stuff too, don't forget.
Love,
J

Joey Ace · From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

Jordan,
Someday a hip youngster might come to one of your shows and ask what your instrument is. You'll give some advice, he'll look into it, dig deeper, and eventually find Buddy, Lloyd, and those that came before.

In another 30 years he'll be posting here about the good old days.

J (not in the USA)

Paul King · From: Gainesville, Texas, USA

I believe the forefathers of country music would roll over in their graves if they knew what was going on in country music today. Just when you think you have heard it all here comes something else. If it is anything like what I hear from the rap artists today I have a bad taste in my mouth already. Most of the rap I cannot even understand what they are saying and it makes me wonder if the artists know what they are saying as well. I prefer the older country, Loretta Lynn, Tammy Wynette, Conway Twitty and some of the other artists during that era. This forum is about the steel guitar and there was plenty of steel during those days.

Joe Casey · From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

Country Rock was a choice. They did not try to take over the Country music business. It was good and it was a choice without eliminating Country Music. I could live with that kind of a set-up again. We use to mix a song or two into our sets and the crowd loved it."can't you see""Ramblin Man" "The Souths gonna do it again". Classic stuff.

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Jordan Shapiro · From: Echo Park, California, USA

Joey, funny you should say that.

First of all I'll let you know that I am 35 yrs old, have a few tattoos and a platinum tooth(with a diamond in it, of course), not to mention a flair for the finely cut western suit(if only I could play this 10 stringed demon, I'd be "there").

Anyway, first gig with the melodic , rappin fella, I'm packin' up my steel, and some droopy-drawrs(sp?) sideways baseball hat-wearin' 20 yr old comes up to me and says he wasn't sure till he heard me with Zach, but, "dude, the pedal steel is totally kick-a$$ and Its my favorite instrument !!". He wasn't drunk or anything, he just got to hear the steel played by someone that looked somewhere between a punk rocker, Waylon and Buck, and mixed it up a bit.

I get a bit of work from newer bands that are happy to find a steel player that has a diverse background and a little talent and openmindedness.

Personally I would just play honky tonk all the time if I could, but maybe my calling is to spread the word to the next generation...............who knows.

I'm just happy to be playin' and causing problems here on the forum.

I wonder if Charlie pride or Otis Williams ever thought about covering some of that Jonny Reb stuff. If I was a brother, I would have to do one of those, just to see some folks lose their marbles.

So lets keep pickin' and grinnin' and talkin' here. J

Joey Ace · From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

I'm sure someone back in 1953 or 54 told Bud Issacs,
"Kid take that dang pedal off your Steel Guitar!
If ya want to go from a one to a four chord, ya have to do a bar slant!
Any other way sounds like crap! Web will never sell records if you don't play your instrument properly!"

Sam White R.I.P. · From: Coventry, RI 02816

Well if you watch CMT and see the way the hookers are dressed you will know what the Rap Crap is all about. Also if you hear these A------- with their car radios blasting using all kind of fillty words in the publics ears and all the little children hearing it. Now you see where the the world is comming too.I think the Country Rock and the counrty Rap is a disgrace to all real country music and as a Steel player I will distroy my equipment before I would ever play any of that Junk. That is not music in my ears.Case Closed thank you.
Sam White
IF IT"S COUNTRY PLAY IT THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF COUNTRY MUSIC

[This message was edited by Samuel E. White on 29 June 2004 at 05:56 PM.]

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