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Topic: Anybody heard the "Van Lear Rose" cd by L.L. |
Uwe Haegg
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Hilleroed, Denmark
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Posted 5 May 2004 1:40 am |
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If yes, what is your opinion?
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kyle reid
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Posted 5 May 2004 7:48 am
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| If its anything like what was on Letterman, It gotta be @#$%^&^&&****( |
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Brad Bechtel
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Posted 5 May 2004 8:15 am
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What I've heard of the CD itself is good, much better than that lousy performance on Letterman. I think that performance didn't do the CD justice, and I hope it doesn't turn people away from a very good collaboration.
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A web site devoted to acoustic & electric lap steel guitars
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Tim Whitlock
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Colorado, USA
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Posted 5 May 2004 8:45 am
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I have only heard one song from the CD, so maybe I need to listen to the whole thing. But based on what I did hear I'm dissappointed that they are trying to put Loretta in a rock context. There is a young audience that is discovering the honest integrity of real country music such as Johnny Cash, Buck Owens, Hank Williams, et al. I'd love for Loretta to find this audience, too. Dwight Yoakum helped revive Buck Owens' career without trying to turn him into something he is not. I wish someone with a better understanding of country music than Jack White (God bless him) could get behind her.
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J W Hock
From:
Anderson, Texas, USA
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Posted 5 May 2004 1:57 pm
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| The whole thing reminds me of the album Kitty Wells did with the Allman Brothers way back in 1974, Forever Young. On some cuts things click in a wierd kind of way , but I guess I just don't trust rockers . Its like their doing a " so square its hip " kind of thing. I'd much rather see Loretta working with say a Dale Watson or hell, even Hank III |
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Elizabeth West
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Surrey, B.C., Canada
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Posted 5 May 2004 3:07 pm
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Boy oh boy
I just listen to the hold C.D twice.
Loretta's voice is as strong as ever and the lyrics are just as good However, the sound is not k. i.s.s.
Keep it simple. Country Loretta
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Alvin Blaine
From:
Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 8 May 2004 10:17 am
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I have been reading what everyone has posted on Loretta Lynn's new album, but I didn't want to comment until I heard the whole CD.
So last night after the gig I went a bought it. All I can say is the album is a 1000 times more country than anything on country radio. Loretta Lynn sings country, writes country, and is country on the whole CD.
Loretta wrote every song on it and these may be some of her best ever. The album has the same vibe as Emmylou's Wrecking Ball album that was produced by Daniel Lanois. Or the Willie album produced by Lanois.
The production is very much based around the lyrics and the vocals. There aren't any hot guitar or steel solos or any fancy pickin'. Just basic rhythm parts and very, raw minimalist steel parts.
IF any of you like country songs about love, cheatin', drinkin', murder, prison, and heartache then this is the one album you should have.
So far it's my favorite album of the year!
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clive swindell
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Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK
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Posted 25 May 2004 1:13 am
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I bought this CD with mixed expectations.
I sat and listened to it last evening and all I can say is that it is brilliant - on a par with Shania and the Dixie Chicks - well worth buying! |
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Uwe Haegg
From:
Hilleroed, Denmark
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Posted 31 May 2004 10:32 pm
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Thanks for all the info.
Sounds like it is worth giving it a try. |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 1 Jun 2004 6:08 am
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Don't buy it for the steel playing. I generally resist writing down negative comments about fellow steel players but the playing on that Cd is truly pathetic.
Bob |
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Uwe Haegg
From:
Hilleroed, Denmark
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Posted 2 Jun 2004 2:32 am
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For some reason they have put the CD on heavy
rotation on national radio over here.
I agree with Mr. Hoffnar - the steel playing
is nothing to write home about. |
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Tim Whitlock
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Colorado, USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2004 5:51 am
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I've listened to the whole CD and I stand by my original comments. While I kind of like the Whites rawness and energy on their own, basically what you got here is a sloppy, heavy handed garage band backing up graceful country vocals and it just doesn't work for me. On the other hand, Loretta's selling lots of CD's so you can't blame her.
In defense of the steel player, I don't know if even Buddy would be able come up with something that would work well in that context. IMHO |
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Ray Minich
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Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 2 Jun 2004 8:06 am
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Chris Scruggs
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Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 3 Jun 2004 1:40 pm
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"They" didn't put her with a rock band. She wanted to do a rock and roll album, so she did one.
They weren't trying to make a nostalgia item, or an ironic conversation piece, they were COLLABORATING. It was not a "trying to be so square you're hip" record. Jack White and Eric McConnell(the guy who engineered it) handled the prodject with much care.
I love Loretta's country records very much, and I think this is much better than that watered down straight country record she made for Audium a couple of years back. Much more raw heart and soul.
It was recorded on an analog 8 track machine in a 100 year old house in East Nashville(the same house as on the album cover). I've recorded in that studio many times, and it has the feel of what it must of been like to record in this town before the labels built their state of the art studios(nothing against Studio B or the Quansit Hut), when all star musicians recorded in houses and old hotel rooms in the late 40's and early 50's.
I think this record proves a good point that country and garage/punk rock are not that far apart. They are music forms that are simple, honest(most of the time), and don't require godlike musical ability to play it well(though that helps). Just compare the Ramones and Ernest Tubb, it's music from the heart, and real people telling real stories(just listen to the "Red Shoes" track).
I was very skeptical last year when I heard about the project, and I'm not a big White Stripes fan, but I was very pleasantly suprized.They didn't try to make her be someone else, and they didn't try to turn her into a 2 dimensional character. They just backed up her songs the only way a bunch of Detroit rockers know how.I find it very similar to Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers backing up Johnny Cash on American Recordings II.
Two thumbs up, CS
[This message was edited by Chris Scruggs on 03 June 2004 at 02:43 PM.] |
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Nicholas Dedring
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Beacon, New York, USA
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Posted 4 Jun 2004 8:23 am
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I was expecting more; even though I can't get into the White Stripes (they actually kind of bore me to ambivalent tears...).
The thing that make Rick Rubin spectacular on the Johnny Cash records was that he created a context that made Cash sound great, and put him up front in a new way, but one which was true to his music.
The Van Lear Rose disc makes loretta lynn sound older, more tired, and more out of place than is warranted, and it kind of spooked me because of that. Basically no harmony singing, which always thickens things up, and just not really a whole lot of eye-opening playing either. I haven't listened to the whole thing repeatedly, and people I know seem to really like it. Didn't do it for me, though.
My disappointment did not have to do with it "not being country enough." It was just wrong, and that's what I minded. |
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Janice Brooks
From:
Pleasant Gap Pa
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Posted 4 Jun 2004 1:58 pm
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| I heard Lorretta is off the road again. All dates sceduled for June and a few others have been canceled because of a back problem. |
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Pete Ballard
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Detroit, MI, USA
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Posted 4 Jun 2004 4:01 pm
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| Don't buy it for the steel playing. I generally resist writing down negative comments about fellow steel players but the playing on that Cd is truly pathetic. |
Buying a garage rock CD for the slick playing is like buying a Cadillac for the gas mileage. Jack White knows what he's doing. If he wanted Buddy Emmons, he would have got him. He didn't want a bunch of studio musicians showing off their chops, he wanted to use the energy and enthusiasm of Detroit rock and roll to try to breathe some life into songs that otherwise would have gone largely unheard. Whether it worked or not is a matter of opinion. |
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Nicholas Dedring
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Beacon, New York, USA
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Posted 4 Jun 2004 4:45 pm
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Well, living in Brooklyn, the home of the concept that true music performed without talent is just real art... I resent the whole anti-skill post punk thing...
If a singer can't sing in key, they can't sing in key... if they can, and choose not to, that's a different story. I was eager to hear the record, and having heard it, I'm not buying it... it's a matter of taste, yeah, and I don't just dig country, far from it in fact; but by my taste, it was just badly conceived, ill suited stuff for loretta lynn... country-ness aside. what I thought of it aside from that is more negative. Which is a pity, because I've always admired her work...
Having heard his production work, and his personal work, I can't for the life of me dig why Jack White is the darling of Interscope. Just doesn't click in my mind. |
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Drew Howard
From:
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Posted 6 Jun 2004 7:18 am
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Progressives love it, traditionalists hate it. Still preferable to the current Nashville '80's rock sound.
[This message was edited by Drew Howard on 06 June 2004 at 08:20 AM.] [This message was edited by Drew Howard on 06 June 2004 at 08:29 AM.] |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 6 Jun 2004 3:10 pm
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Pete Ballard,
You should have gotten that gig ! You can play the steel pretty damn well and know the Detroit thing.( I listened to your playing on the DSB cd while I was learning the tunes for a little tour I just did with them.) I heard the Van Lear Rose cd at a recording studio in Detroit when it first came out. I'll give it another listen and see if I feel differently.
Bob[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 06 June 2004 at 04:18 PM.] |
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Pete Ballard
From:
Detroit, MI, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2004 1:20 am
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Bob,
Thanks for the kind words. How did things go with the DSB? I'm glad they got a fellow forumite for the gigs. Let me know next time you're in town. We can exchange notes.
Pete |
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Dave Van Allen
From:
Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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Posted 14 Jun 2004 6:51 am
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DSB = Dead String Brothers
it's a band |
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