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Topic: rock or jazz scales |
Charles Turpin
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Mexico, Missouri, USA
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Posted 18 Mar 2005 11:43 am |
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does anybody have any rock or jazz scales tabbed out i would like to see some of them here on the form. It is nice to see all of these pieces of material tabbed out but. For beginner steel players i think it would be interesting to see some of the tools it takes to make all of these licks that the people are putting out on todays records. I know all the begining scales but over the years things have changed and i am sure so have a lot of the scales that people use in todays music. I think this would be an interesting thing for the intermediate players to look at not only me. 
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 18 Mar 2005 12:24 pm
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Yeah Man; run through this stuff here and that's all you need>
[url=http://www.mightyfinemusic.com/jeff's_jazz.htm]http://www.mightyfinemusic.com/jeff's_jazz.htm[/url]
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Charles Turpin
From:
Mexico, Missouri, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2005 2:40 pm
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Ricky that is very good stuff but tell me. WHen you are not playing these chord combinations which i do this stuff like this all the time. What about passing notes and Single lines and intervals that you put over these chord combinations. For example if you are using a C#7/11 as a subsitution chord over a Dm7 what kinds of scale work can you do over that. DO you use the F scale or do you modify the Dm scale where are all these things, but i know a lot of it depends to where the bass guitar is playing. ALso can you just revise the C# scale to add the 11and the 7th notes to do this, where are these things like this on the C6th I know they are there but i just wondered what kind of aspects you would use over the chordal arangements. That is where i get lost even sometimes when i play over the diminshed intervals. Thanks for the reply.
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2005 12:09 am
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Charles that is "Jeff's Jazz" meaning my good buddy Jeff Lampert has written all that stuff on that section of my website. His email is right there on the top of the page as he is the one you want to ask those questions too> I haven't a CLUE..ahhhh.
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Charles Turpin
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Mexico, Missouri, USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2005 10:12 am
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Rick thanks for the answer. But when i click on the URL i just get his site i don't get his e mail so i can ask him. I just wondered when you play subsitute chords like that do you play over the orginal scales or do you use the other chord scales, that is used as the subsitute.and besides these are Jazz not the modern things they are using today or are you telling me that they are using Jazz scales over the new country sound to get them weird things they are coming up with . I play a lot of the old classic 60s and 70s Classic country i wish i new hwo to post tab i could write a million licks fer ya hehehe. But i was wanting to get a little into the new madern stuff they where playing you almost got to start over to do tjhat i guess.
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2005 10:33 am
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Charles if you click on "Email Jeff" this should come up> jr.lampert@verizon.net
Maybe he will look in here and answer your questions> because they are very good questions.
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Jaim Zuber
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Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2005 11:50 am
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Charles,
The answer to your question is "it depends". It looks like you're at the point where you need to learn your modes and when to use them. A quick search of threads past should give you a few explanations. Otherwise, get yourself a book on basic jazz theory.
Without knowing anything else about the tune (and assuming the bass player is outlining the C# 7), I'd use C# Mixolydian over the C#7 11 chords (although there are many options).
Mixolydian is a C# Major scale with a flatted 7th. |
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Charles Turpin
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Mexico, Missouri, USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 11:18 am
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Jaim i know my modes. But like Keith Hilton once told me " Actualy modes are the thought of using another key structure over a chord not inside the Writen key. IN doing this you just change the positions of the half steps in the scales. I don't think that when Paul Franklin or the legends are doing this when they think over things like this. I think somehow they are using passing notes to create some different scales than what we are playing. I just wondered if anyone thought to analize them scales and cause these are the tools that help us create licks and songs.
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Charles Turpin
From:
Mexico, Missouri, USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2005 2:47 pm
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Rickie you can close this topic if you want . But i have found out a lot of interesting things on it myself. I seen another gentlemen playing some single string stuff on the C6th an got to talk to him about situations like this and he told me a lot of hints on using these different tools. He told me one hint he said that they are doing if you watch close. Is to corperate the notes of subsitute chord along with the Nots of the chord that is being played.As a general rule what sounds good is the notes of the chord being played. For Example; Over the Dminor seventh, Where Jeff is using the C#7th minor seventh as a subsitute. Dont think The subsitute chord when playing the melodie. But instead think any of the dminor scales, Harmonized, Melodic, or Aolean. But when you go to resolve. Resove to the notes of the subsitutue chord.Nine out of ten times this will create a Chromatic sense to the lick. ANd there are a million equations to making up licks this way.
Like he said ever notice Jerry Reeds guitar style. If you watch him he will start with a scale of what he is playing making up the melody then corperate another chord that isnt in the Harmonized scale Using these notes creates the tension then going back into the scales made up of using notes of strickly chords that are sounding to your ear like they are in that major scale. Lookk at the Jerrys break down. Someone tabed out here on the form and if you analize it he is simply using the notes of the E scale with all the different rendering sounds Notes of the Scale gathered from the C_F_G chords then releasing that tension to the notes of the chords of the E_A_B. Now i understand thank everyone for the help
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