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Topic: Any College Programs for Pedal Steel Guitar? |
Anthony Parish
From: Austin
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Posted 13 Oct 2022 8:29 am
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There are many great college programs for music performance with concentrations in various instruments (guitar, bass, piano, voice, etc). Do any programs offer performance training in pedal steel guitar? Haven't seen any.
Tony Parish |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 13 Oct 2022 12:47 pm
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I think most people graduated from hardknox.edu.
Berklee had some things going on with lap steel when Bill Leavitt was Chairman of the Guitar Department there. But I haven't heard of anything recent. |
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 13 Oct 2022 1:13 pm
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Been a long time since my college days, but I'd venture that not too many institutions would support a class that would comprise of five or less students. I couldn't imagine getting more than that, even at Julliard, Vanderbilt, or Berkley.
I'll make a guess and say that guitar, bass, piano, violin and voice are all about 1,000 times more popular than pedal steel. |
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Howard Parker
From: Maryland
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Posted 13 Oct 2022 1:43 pm
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Does Mike Ihde still teach at Berklee (not Berkley).
I think there's also an offering at East TN State Univ but not positive.
There are a number of higher ed. programs for bluegrass instrumentation. In addition to the 2 above I'm also aware of courses in steel guitar offered at South Plains College in TX.
I believe there are others as well.
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Ian Worley
From: Sacramento, CA
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Posted 13 Oct 2022 2:06 pm
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Howard Parker wrote: |
...I think there's also an offering at East TN State Univ but not positive... |
Yes, pedal steeler Tony Dingus used to teach in their program, not sure if he's still there, but he's here on the forum if OP wanted to ask him about it. |
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Bobby D. Jones
From: West Virginia, USA
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Posted 13 Oct 2022 5:31 pm
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Donna Hammit, Bill Anderson's steel player attended some college where she studied steel guitar as her choice of instrument.
She talked backstage about the class at a show about 2002, When she appeared with Bill Anderson at the Sagebrush Roundup.
It may have been East Tenn. University, |
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Jon Voth
From: Virginia, USA
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Posted 13 Oct 2022 6:08 pm
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Also Henry Johns of Navy Band "Country Current" went there and studied with Mr. Dingus, he's been hired & out of school maybe 5-6 years I'm guessing.
I have all my PSG degrees from Youtube University. |
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Christopher Woitach
From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 13 Oct 2022 9:52 pm
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For a couple years I taught a kid steel guitar at the college where I teach, as a music major. He had a disability with his left side, and could only play on his lap with bottleneck slide on his finger, so he could hold it. He did pretty good for a while (he was able to play a few jazz tunes) but ended up moving. He was the only that ever asked, but as long as the student could meet music requirements they could probably study steel there (Western Oregon University) _________________ Christopher Woitach
cw@affmusic.com
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Jerry Overstreet
From: Louisville Ky
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Posted 14 Oct 2022 12:59 am
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Belmont College in Nashville maybe. |
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Bob Hoffnar
From: Austin, Tx
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Posted 14 Oct 2022 4:43 am
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It is common for a music program in college to be called jazz studies or studio composition. Your choice of instrument. Pedal steel is quite welcome. There are no big classes with a bunch of oboe players sitting together. College is not structured like that. Classes for Performance degrees are often ensemble based. If you can play jazz or want to learn how to play jazz you can play in the jazz ensembles. Both small daily workshops and the larger performance based ensembles.
Instrumental studies are with a private teacher that is chosen by the student. You could study with a steel player or piano player or who ever would help you reach your goals.
There is a Western swing class in a college in San Antonio run by a steel player/professor. There is also an experimental music dept run by a steel player at Princeton. I’m sure there is more.
I’m also aware of several doctorates given to musicologists bases on the ethnographic studies of the pedalsteel.
I’m actually looking into a structured college program to get my jazz playing to be a little bit better than pathetic. I always get started and then end up chasing gigs around and get distracted.
College is great. I totally enjoyed it. It has opened doors ( and keeps on opening doors )
I think if you want a degree in pedalsteel you would do it through a jazz studies program. Or an instrumental based commercial music program . _________________ Bob |
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 14 Oct 2022 3:55 pm
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I think the OP's question was more along the lines of college training in pedal steel; that is, learning the instrument on an advanced level. Of course there are a gazillion college music courses out there, but they don't teach pedal steel. I see the training that Paul Franklin (and others) do in the "Modern Masters" series as what an on-line, college level pedal steel course would and should be. |
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Herb Steiner
From: Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 4 Dec 2024 9:35 am
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South Plains College in Levelland TX, just west of Lubbock, has (or had) a western swing band called the "South Plains Playboys," though I don't know if participation in it applies to an Associates Degree there. SPC is a 2-year community college offering associates degrees in art, business management, nursing, and transfer programs to 4-year colleges and universities.
SPC at one time offered a program in Bluegrass, taught by Allen Munde and the late Joe Carr, but that was probably decades ago. No mention of that course of study is mentioned in the SPC literature I've seen. _________________ My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Tommy Mc
From: Middlesex VT
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Posted 4 Dec 2024 9:43 am
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Donny Hinson wrote: |
Been a long time since my college days, but I'd venture that not too many institutions would support a class that would comprise of five or less students. I couldn't imagine getting more than that, even at Julliard, Vanderbilt, or Berkley.
I'll make a guess and say that guitar, bass, piano, violin and voice are all about 1,000 times more popular than pedal steel. |
One of my daughters learned to play sitar in high school and found a small sitar class in college. (Oberlin) I think it just takes a bit on the "demand" side and a winning instructor. _________________ 1980 MSA Vintage XL S-10, 1975 Session 400
1972 Dobro model 66s
Derby SD-10
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Howard Parker
From: Maryland
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Posted 4 Dec 2024 9:56 am
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There is also this (in part) from The The IBMA Foundation.
"The Mike Auldridge Memorial Scholarship, created by Howard Parker, will benefit individuals studying the resophonic guitar, steel guitar, or acoustic guitar on the college level with a bluegrass or roots music focus. The deadline to apply for Mike Auldridge Memorial Scholarship (along with all IBMA Foundation-hosted college scholarships) is June 1, 2025. Forms will be online at Bluegrassfoundation.org by March 1, 2025" |
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Jay Coover
From: Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2024 10:54 am
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You might try calling Belmont -
School of Music: 615.460.6408 _________________ GFI Expo S-10 3x5
Goodrich 120 |
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Lee Rider
From: Fort Bragg, California, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2024 2:29 pm
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I take lessons on Patreon from Rich Hinman who teaches at Berklee in Boston. Looks like they have some courses for steel guitar but I don't actually see a major for it:
https://college.berklee.edu/faculty/rich-hinman _________________ Bowman SD10 push pull 3x5, Modified Hudson PedalBro, Sarno Tonic preamp, Evans FET 500. with Altec 418B, Standel Custom 15, '67 Showman with D-130F in cabinet, Ganz Straight Ahead, custom Wolfe 6 string dobro, '52 Gibson Century 6. |
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Brett Day
From: Pickens, SC
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Posted 4 Dec 2024 3:25 pm
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Jerry Overstreet wrote: |
Belmont College in Nashville maybe. |
I'm sure Belmont would have a course in steel guitar. The man who invented the guit-steel, Junior Brown taught guitar at Rogers State College, and at one time, they had courses where you could study country music-Leon McAuliffe, steel guitarist with Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys taught a few workshops there and Eldon Shamblin also taught some workshops there
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Dan Beller-McKenna
From: Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2024 3:30 pm
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Places like Berklee, MTSU and maybe Belmont are the most likely to embrace the idea. I can tell you, having taught in a "standard" college music department for over thirty years, that there are a lot of obstacles for having non-band -orchestral instruments in the curriculum at more traditional music programs. My colleagues "say" they would like to open the curriculum up to other types of music, but a) there is less than zero money for hiring new instructors and b) the band, orchestra, and choir director are fighting to keep their ensembles populated and are nervous about diverting resources to instruments that they can't have in their groups. My department is particularly old fashioned, despite a desire to modernize, so it might be less likely than others to find a way to include new instruments.
That said, I did get to give pedal steel lessons to an interested (and excellent) student last spring in lieu of his piano lessons (but he is in our most flexible degree track, otherwise it might not have flown). This fall he decided he'd rather transcribe classical music for banjo, so we've been playing Bach inventions on banjo and dobro this semester, which has been a blast, rekindling long dormant synapses from my years of studying classical guitar.
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Jay Coover
From: Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2024 8:32 pm
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Brett Day wrote: |
I'm sure Belmont would have a course in steel guitar. |
Maybe not quite like that specifically, but they might be able to put something together for you. Music-performance-wise. There are plenty of steel instructors in the area, and the faculty would kind of be able to guide your curriculum. I have no idea. Contact them though and ask. _________________ GFI Expo S-10 3x5
Goodrich 120 |
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Kevin Hatton
From: Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 6 Dec 2024 12:19 am
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I’ve got a PHD from Neon University. I’ve got the scars to prove it. |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 6 Dec 2024 4:48 am
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Kevin Hatton wrote: |
I’ve got a PHD from Neon University. I’ve got the scars to prove it. |
Me too. That degree allowed me to join the BAR association as well as other CLUBS.
I did attend a few Jeff Newman seminars when he came to Northern California. _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Peter Ellman
From: North Carolina, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2024 10:30 am
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Bill McCloskey wrote: |
I think most people graduated from hardknox.edu.
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Matt Perpick
From: Brooklyn, NY, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2024 3:43 pm
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As Lee mentioned, Rich Hinman teaches guitar at Berklee and has a couple of steel students. I believe Kevin Barry, the great lap steel player, also teaches there. It would be amazing if those program could grow. _________________ Listen to the Steel Podcast: https://tinyurl.com/steelpodcast |
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Dave Magram
From: San Jose, California, USA
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Kevin Hatton
From: Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 8 Dec 2024 4:55 am
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Okay class, let us start with the basic Steel Guitar Theory of Relativity:
M/T=P squared. Where M= Music. T=Time. And P= Poverty.
This man was formerly with The Dept. Of Energy as a Nuclear Physicist. He chose to play steel guitar for a living instead. |
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