Split Tuning on a Push Pull?

Lee Rider · From: Fort Bragg, California, USA

Probably a dumb question but can it be done and, if so, is it a difficult thing to do? I have a 3x5 with the up lever lowering 5 and 10 a half a tone. I cannot really get the half pedal in tune very well and would like to be able to use that change.

Thanks

Lee Rider
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Marty Broussard · From: Broussard, Louisiana, USA

Lee,
Kelcey O’Neal at the Emmons Company could do it for sure. There are other capable people who can do it too. I’m sure other forumites will give you good input also.

Good luck and I hope it works out for you.

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Dave Grafe · From: Hudson River Valley NY

Talk to forum member Tommy Cass

Patrick Timmins · From: Seattle

It is possible, but not for all strings without really messing up the travel of other pedals. I have the vert knee split on my 5 string on 2 push-pulls right now. Kelcey has done it on the 6th string as well.

You will need a Sho-Bud 2 hole bell crank, a fine tuning swivel and an extra pull rod assembly.

Here is a diagram of how it goes together, please excuse my handwriting:

Basically, you turn that string into a pull release. You tune the split with the adjustable screw to prevent it from lowering beyond the tuned split. You do have to add a considerable amount of spring to give it slack which does increase pedal travel on the A pedal. It can take a bit of fiddling to get it just right. The push rod for lowering 5 goes straight through the hole to lower the raise finger. Tune the lower without the split as normal. I wouldn't recommend trying this unless you work on push-pulls frequently.

Here it is in action on the A pedal of an Emmons student model with 3 & 5. May be hard to see.

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Lee Rider · From: Fort Bragg, California, USA

Thanks Patrick! Gives me something to ponder....

Best,

Lee Rider
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Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

To me the easiest and simplest way to split 6th sting is put and extra bell crank on A pedal with a fine tuner screw with rod going to 6th string. It’s called the fake split. It doesn’t get in the way of anything and works great but with knee lever on 6th lowered a whole tone, you have to press A pedal to bring back up a half.
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john widgren · From: Wilton CT

What Henry said!
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Lee Rider · From: Fort Bragg, California, USA

Thanks Henry and John! Now I need to locate the necessary hardware to do this on a Bowman steel.

Best,

Lee Rider
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