B - Bb LKV examples?

Jordan Yeo · From: Alberta, Canada

My MSA classic is set up for a B -> Bb on the LKV, and beyond combining it with my A+B to get a minor chord, I can't seem to figure out how folks are using this one so commonly. Any examples of licks that folks use it for on the regular? Thanks!

Greg Cutshaw · From: Corry, PA, USA

Look here:

https://www.gregcutshaw.com/C6th%20On%20E9th/C6th%20On%20E9th.html

Many examples but start with "Diminished chord using split tuning on string 5" in the tab files section.

Also it's good for a 9th chord sound:

3rd fret, pick strings 3,4,5, no pedals (G major)
3rd fret, pick strings 3,4,5, LKV (A9th)
2nd fret, pick strings 3,4,5, LKV + pedal 2 (D13)
3rd fret, pick sting 3,4,6 no pedals (G major)

If you are in the key of G, go up to the 5th fret with pedals 1 and 2 and LVK, There's a HUGE array of sounds there including chords that can be played or slid into from other frets.

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

Countless applications; my favourite knee-lever.
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Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Bob Carlucci · From: Candor, New York, USA

yeah, that one just never did much for me.. If I had the lever these days as I did at one time, I would do what I used to on the rare occasion i wanted to drop the B a half tone. I would tune that lever to a full tone drop of the B string, and then simply "half pedal" it... I also tried putting a feel stop on it to "separate" the full and half tone lowers, but liked that less than just feeling/balancing it. In any case, the B-Bb lever would always be the first to go on my guitars.. never much liked it, and seldom used or needed it.... bob
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Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

I don't really have a 'favourite' knee-lever: last time I checked, they all looked pretty much the same.

But B-Bb? That, in conjunction with other pulls of course, is a chord-pedal for me. I'd be severely hampered without it which is why it has to be more readily accessible than on a vertical. I have it on RKL.

MY LKV raises the 5th from B to D; since the recent overhaul of my guitar and thanks to an ingenious extension to that KL, it's now getting lots of use.

The last thing I'd use the B lower for is a minor, pedals down: so many better (and more musically logical) ways to find a minor chord.

Tony: FIVE licks?? You must have been playing longer than me. Very Happy

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Roger Rettig - Emmons D10, JCH D10, Quilter TT-12, B-bender Teles and old Martins.
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Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

Phew! That's a relief!!!

Whoa!

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Roger Rettig - Emmons D10, JCH D10, Quilter TT-12, B-bender Teles and old Martins.
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chuck lemasters · From: Jacksonburg, WV

Split with the A pedal, A pedal down, minor…add B-Bb lever, minor maj.7….release both, minor 7,…add B-Bb lever, Dim.7……
a nice descending line I hear in a lot of music, not necessarily country…
Like Roger says, it is a chord lever, not a lick lever….I don’t use it that often, but would miss it if I didn’t have it.

Bengt Erlandsen · From: Brekstad, NORWAY

Drop your 9th string down to C#(use as root) w hopefully a lever on the right knee.

At 1st fret you gonna be able find a Dm7 add the B-Bb lever and turn this chord one into a Dm6(substitute for G7)

If you can use the LKL(E's-F) at the same time then you can do a D7 to D6

If you are able use the A pedal at the same time you can go from a Dmaj7 to a D6 just by releasing the A pedal while keeping the other knee levers engaged.

There is another way of doing the Dmaj to D6 tho, but that use strings 9 7 6 5 and A+B pedals only.

A+B+LKV(B-Bb)+LKR(E-Eb) is a super useful combo to insert a full diminished voicing in between a bunch of other 6th type chords(either the A+B type or the LKR(E-Eb) type 6th voicings)

B-Bb is however only one of many useful things that can be put on the LKV

Use what your musical ear tells you should be there.

B.Erlandsen
Zumsteel S12extE9 7+7

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

Passing from, say, C major to F (1 to a 4 chord):

C at 3rd fret, pedals down, release the pedals, down to the 2nd fret, strings 9,6,5 with the 5th lowered, then release the KL and slide to the first fret (same strings).

That passing chord - the F#(b5) - is the tritone sub for C7th. The third chord is, of course, simply an F7th.

Bengt: The only disadvantage of my setup is that I can't lower the 9th and engage the B-to-Bb 'lower'; all in all, I'm so accustomed to it on RKL that I'm reluctant to alter it. Travis Toy has it on a floor-pedal and I see the advantage of that, but I want to be able to lower the Es and Bs along with my A and B pedal. 'On the floor' has its drawbacks.

As a much wiser player than me once said: 'You can't have it all.' You can, though, have what fits your musical priorities
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Roger Rettig - Emmons D10, JCH D10, Quilter TT-12, B-bender Teles and old Martins.
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Steve Leal · From: Orange CA, USA

Hi Jordan,

What is your full copedent? I’d like to see what combinations you have available with your vertical lever.

Thanks, Stephen

Jordan Yeo · From: Alberta, Canada

Thanks for the responses folks! Some things for me to check out. I actually ended up adding the franklin change over the weekend as a pedal 0, and really enjoying having it available.

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