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Topic: Lowering activates raise finger |
Mats Raknerud
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Norway
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 29 May 2023 3:47 am |
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| Yes -- this has been discussed a number of times and is a subject in play right now in Andrew Sneddon's E Lower Lever thread. There are other things that could be involved but the easiest, first thing is to back off on the return spring. Possibly a lot. It appears to be tightened to the maximum. If this results in problems with the lower return, then the problem could be more complex but start with the simple spring adjustment and see what happens. |
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Mats Raknerud
From:
Norway
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Posted 29 May 2023 3:53 am
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| Jon Light wrote: |
| Yes -- this has been discussed a number of times and is a subject in play right now in Andrew Sneddon's E Lower Lever thread. There are other things that could be involved but the easiest, first thing is to back off on the return spring. Possibly a lot. It appears to be tightened to the maximum. If this results in problems with the lower return, then the problem could be more complex but start with the simple spring adjustment and see what happens. |
I’ll try this. But then I would have a problem with the C-pedal instead. If I back off the return spring, the lowering finger is activated by the C-pedal. Can’t find a good balance between the two problems. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 29 May 2023 3:59 am
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Normally, that problem is caused by the lower-return spring being too tight. So if your guitar has adjustable springs, you can loosen the spring a little, and correct the problem. But if your guitar does not have adjustable springs, you can either exchange the lowering spring for a lighter one, or install a slightly heavier-gauge string. In either case, make sure the string is coming back to the stop when you let off the pedal or lever.
In rare cases, the problem can also be caused by friction between the changer fingers due to a lack of lubrication, in which case it’s time to oil the changer a little. |
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 29 May 2023 6:45 am
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It looks to me that raise section is being slightly pulled/actuated, in open position and that will cause it to move when just lowered. So back off the nylon tuner that raises C pedal just small turn and if that open note E lowers a little; then that was the culprit; or same with the half tone raise. So after you get the open note E not being pulled; then tune your lower. Now push the C pedal and if E doesn't go to your F# note; increase the Stop at the stope screw for that pedal/same with E to F.
Ricky
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Mats Raknerud
From:
Norway
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Posted 29 May 2023 9:28 am
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| Ricky Davis wrote: |
It looks to me that raise section is being slightly pulled/actuated, in open position and that will cause it to move when just lowered. So back off the nylon tuner that raises C pedal just small turn and if that open note E lowers a little; then that was the culprit; or same with the half tone raise. So after you get the open note E not being pulled; then tune your lower. Now push the C pedal and if E doesn't go to your F# note; increase the Stop at the stope screw for that pedal/same with E to F.
Ricky |
Seems like this did the trick! The half tone raise was pulling a tiiiiny bit sharp in open position.
Thank you! |
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 29 May 2023 9:46 am
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| Seems like this did the trick! |
You're more than welcome; this is what I do for a living as side job for over 25 years. Just remember; anytime you are fine tuning a pull with the nylon tuner and it starts to affect the OPEN note; you just give a little more distance to Stop for that finger your tuning. We Change strings a lot on pedal steels and many times even Same Gauge strings will react differently between manufacturers....so easy to get over tuned a smidge...but "STOP SCREW IS YOUR FRIEND"
Ricky
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 31 May 2023 6:40 am
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| Great fix! Also- for future reference, when I see this happen and adjusting the tuning nuts doesn't help, I'll temporarily disconnect the raise helper spring if the guitar has one(I see you have raise helpers) as they can cause the same issue. |
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 3 Jun 2023 8:41 am
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I just went through this same problem. I am in the process of reworking a early 1970's MSA D10. The C6th neck had been removed and later replaced, Has a mix of Lower Return springs. I pulled E9th and C6th changers, Cleaned and checked them close, I found and loosened up 2 tight rivets on the levers.
When I got to the 8th pedal set up on Emmons C6th tuning, The C to A lower on the 10 string was moving the raise lever off the stop plate.
It would pull the raise bar near a centimeter off the stop bar. I was able to get 3 original MSA springs. With no adjustment on the Return Springs, Being a Do and Try. It took lengthening the 10th string return spring till the lower lever just returns snug against the stop bar. The raise bar stayed snug against the stop bar. Problem solved, Lowers C to A and returns.
Good Luck finding and curing the problem, Happy Steelin. |
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