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Baron Collins-Hill
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Posted 4 May 2023 11:07 am |
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Here’s a thought experiment currently rattling around in my mind. What would a 12 string D13 universal copedent look like to you? Are Jeff and Johnny’s idea brilliant ideas combinable into a single neck, or are they different means to the same end that couldn’t work together?
Looking forward to hearing people’s thoughts!
Baron
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Bob Hoffnar
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Posted 4 May 2023 11:57 am
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Post a vid of your playing so we can have an understanding of context.
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Baron Collins-Hill
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Portland, OR
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Posted 4 May 2023 11:59 am
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I don’t have a guitar set up like this, just wondering if it’s a viable idea.
Baron
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Bob Hoffnar
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Posted 4 May 2023 1:47 pm
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Play the guitar you have now because without musical context it is very hard to have an understanding of what you are trying to get at. Also it would be good for you to show us the limitations of your current set up. Stuff like chord voicings with contrapuntal bass lines you can't get at or whatever. Is there a song that you play that could be served better with a different set up ?
BTW: Any and all tunings are essentially viable.
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Andrew Frost
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Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 4 May 2023 10:56 pm
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Baron, intersting consideration.
In my understanding the key element of Johnny Cox's D13 approach is that all the changes relate to a D tuning, sort of like a double neck tuned D9 and D6, then combined into a single neck as D13. All the changes relate more or less to D tuning starting point.
As you know I'm sure, the fundamental difference with the E9/B6 universal approach is that although it can be played as 'one big tuning', the pedal changes are more or less set up to correspond to two separate starting points, E9 and B6. Same as with Bb6/Eb9.
So if I'm understanding what your getting at, it would be a D ( D6/9/13) type tuning that would also operate in ways akin to E9/B6 wherein the open root notes lower to create a different tuning, in this case A6.
It could also start with A6 and then lever in to a D9 type set up, in essence the same way Bb6 is designed. I've experimented with that particular A6/D9 approach and found it to have some beautiful harmonic and tonal possibilities.
My goals are generally to economize with space and weight, and I have no reservations about excluding some changes that other players would miss.
You might enjoy exploring BoB's D6 hybrid tuning ideas which get into this ballpark you're talking about.
But one thing that is remarkable about Johnny Cox's D13 is how comprehensive it is in that it seems to have almost every change covered.
Last edited by Andrew Frost on 5 May 2023 6:19 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 5 May 2023 5:07 am
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| Johnny Cox's D13 covers all of the common E9th, C6th and Universal tuning changes but also goes BEYOND them in that it adds some really cool Maurice Anderson and Curly Chalker changes. |
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