2nd gig with TT12 Quilter. Thoughts.

Lynn Kasdorf · From: Waterford Virginia, USA

I played last night and the night before with my new TT12 rig. TLDR- I have yet to find "my sound".

Last night was a very small, beloved bar in Baltimore. It seems like this amp really cuts through. Harmonics leap out like I have always wanted. However, there is something I am missing in the tone department.

I have tried the various positions of the voice switch, and I am not sure what I prefer. I know many like it in the "vint" position, and I played a lot with it there. The manual says that this provides the mid scoop- which is what I think I want. But I guess the mid cut is not where I set it on my Peavey- 800.

I have played a Peavey Nashville N112 for many years now, and with the Eminience Neo speaker I put in, and the Burr Brown op amps, I really like the tone. I guess it is unreasonable to expect the same sound from the Quilter.

I think the main missing element is the sweepable mid on the N112 (and all Peavey steel amps). It sounds like Furlong's Sesh 400 box may be exactly what I need, but it is hard for me to justify the cost, esp after the big layout of $$ on the Quilter.

I have some random EQ devices kicking around- I'll try a few and see if they help.

One interesting thing I discovered. I tried the XLR direct out and it worked pretty well, but- I plugged in a 10" Quilter cabinet that a friend loaned me- and this dropped the output lever significantly. Makes sense- that XLR is basically paralleled with the speaker(s). A 4ohm load will have lower voltage across it than 8 ohms.
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Lynn Kasdorf · From: Waterford Virginia, USA

One might reasonably ask, if I like the Peavey so much, why buy the Quilter? Well, the big thing is the weight. And, I'm hoping for a revelation in tone. Maybe that will happen one day. I have not bought an amp in about a decade, and figured I would try what the cool kids are playing. Smile

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Roger Crawford · From: Griffin, GA USA

Two gigs isn’t enough time for the speaker to get broken in. Keep pushing it.

Greg Cutshaw · From: Corry, PA, USA

I use mine with the ToneX pedal which gives you a powerful parametric mid-shift-boost-cut much like the Peavey amps. I find this missing on the Quilter amp.

Dave Grafe · From: Hudson River Valley NY

I have been transitioning to the Quilter from my trusty Webb, and I too have struggled with eq settings, in particular the mids frequency center. I love everything else about it, and am slowly finding my way, with a JBL K130 providing the highs the Eminence can't deliver. I am using the middle tone switch position as the "vintage mid scoop" does not sound at all like my old Vibroverb tone stack. This last Saturday night I was happy enough to mark the knobs with a grease pencil for easy recall...

Lynn Kasdorf · From: Waterford Virginia, USA

Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

My take on the TT12 - Best steel amp I've had since a Twin Reverb I had in the 70's.

My setup, bass 12 O'clock, Mid and treble two clicks left of 12 O'clock. No limiter and gain controls set conventially. I varied between FullQ and the "Fenderish" Vint. This with D-10 Franklin and two GFI's all with Lawrence 710 pickups. Standard guitar cords no George L's.

Edit/Added: This is the identical amp EQ setup I saw on Travis Toy's amp on a demo video for the amp several years ago that was on American Musical site.

Dave Grafe · From: Hudson River Valley NY

Lynn Kasdorf · From: Waterford Virginia, USA

Dave Grafe · From: Hudson River Valley NY

BTW I set the input GAIN not above 9 and certainly NOT full on, there's a big difference. This GAIN/LIMITER combo seems to match up well with my 500k passive volume pots and big single-coil pickups to deliver a ballsy clean sound without the overdrive "chirps" the Quilter is capable of.

Using the settings in the photo, if I find myself pushing into distortion with the VP I simply turn the master up a bit so that I can ease off the VP. Likewise if it's too hot turning the master down helps bring the VP up to its sweet spot.

chuck lemasters · From: Jacksonburg, WV

Dave’s settings are similar to mine, other than I usually set the gain to seven…I used the Quilter from last August through December, eventually deciding I preferred my Nashville 112…took a big hit when I sold the Quilter, probably a mistake…it WAS easy to carry…I have a question, a bit off topic, but I have owned a couple of Class D amps, rated at 200 or 300 watts, and neither could compare in terms of sheer volume, knockdown power, whatever, to a Nashville 400. I would say the TT12 put out no more volume than the 80 watt Nashville 112…what’s the difference? Isn’t wattage wattage, regardless of how it is produced?

Dave Grafe · From: Hudson River Valley NY

Bobby Hearn · From: Henrietta, Tx

On my 202 with TT15 I’ve been turning master to 10 and controlling vol with gain, with bass and treble both at 10 and mids at about 2 or 3 and it sounds pretty good. Usually have switch on vintage setting. Before, I kept fighting with bass and treble settings but after maxing both out, it sounds a lot better to me.

Dave Stagner · From: Minnesota, USA

Watts are watts, volume is volume... but loudness is not necessarily loudness!

Perceived loudness is very much a function of dynamic range, eq balance, and amp behavior in the face of both transients and sustained sounds.

When mixing records, you quickly learn that those crunchy guitars almost never cause distortion in downstream gain stages. Female vocals and violins, on the other hand, are brutal on downstream stages and often cause distortion. Likewise drums and acoustic guitars, which have very loud attack transients.

Tube guitar amps have really nice behavior for keeping those distortion-causing sounds. They distort, but it's pleasant-sounding low order harmonics, which are perceived as "loudness". Solid state often distorts in harsh-sounding ways, and even brief transients that aren't obviously "distorted" can cause problems with amp recovery and stability.
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chuck lemasters · From: Jacksonburg, WV

I understand that an 85 watt Twin can punch well above its wattage rating due to the manner in which distortion is measured verses how it is perceived by the player. However, there is a pretty big difference in the available volume of a 210 watt Nashville 400 through a Black Widow with its 98 or 99 spl and the 200 watt Class D Quilter through a TT12 at 100 spl. I found the same difference with a Milkman Half and Half with the 15 inch Telonics speaker. The 80 watt solid state Nashville 112 seemed comparable to the class D amps in perceived loudness. I remember seeing several posts from guys who had purchased Quilter Steelaire amps who thought perhaps there was a problem with their new amp, to which Pat Quilter replied, “Turn it up”. When I owned the Milkman, playing with a way-too-loud band, I had to run it near its max. Any of these amps would provide sufficient volume for my needs now, but I still wonder about Class D power vs. traditional solid state and tube power….or maybe it is my hearing…Huh? What did you say? Thirsty? No it’s only Tuesday….

Lynn Kasdorf · From: Waterford Virginia, USA

Bobby D. Jones · From: West Virginia, USA

The type of guitar cables you use can cause pick sharp sounds, I was using George L small cables when I went to a Tone Block 202. I ended up with a set of 240 D'Addario cables to get the sharp bite out of my TB 202.

Somewhere I seen an article, Some are soldering a component into the plug in end of small cables, To get away from the pick sharp sounds with a TB 202.

Lynn Kasdorf · From: Waterford Virginia, USA

Bobby Hearn · From: Henrietta, Tx

Dave Meis · From: Olympic Peninsula, Washington, USA

I was researching the 202 before I bought mine, and while I can’t remember where I read this, it indicated that in ‘vintage’ mode, the mid control remains active (flat at 5), while the bass and treble are passive. Can anyone confirm?

Bobby Hearn · From: Henrietta, Tx

Lynn, after checking, I have switch at full eq setting. Sorry for the confusion. I was running it on vintage before and forgot I had changed it.

Doc Hall · From: Galveston, Tx

Lynn, I've had the same problems with the Quilter. Then again, I'm seldom pleased with any of my amp choices...so maybe it's just my skill level and hearing. The tt12 sounds good to me except for the middle strings. I cut my mids, but I find it hard to get the bite out of those strings. I've recently adjusted my tone to a more satisfactory level using my Freeloader. I have been able to find a sweet spot that runs between 5 and 8 on the Freeloader, depending on the acoustics of the building. I'm interested in trying Dave's settings on the gain and master to see how that plays out. I have been switching it to full eq for most situations and using standard cables.

Ron Hogan · From: Nashville, TN, usa

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