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Topic: What pedal could be added to extend the 6th sound on E9 |
Larry Lenhart
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Ponca City, Oklahoma
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Posted 12 Dec 2022 8:41 pm |
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Somewhere I talked to a steel player that said that he had a pedal added to his E9th so that he could engage it along with the knee lever lower to add another string to that 6th sound. At the time, I wasnt interested, but now that I might sell my C6th pedal steel, I might want to add this pedal. Does anyone have an idea for me ? Thanks in advance, I hope this doesnt sound like a dumb, obvious question.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 12 Dec 2022 9:42 pm
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It's not dumb, Larry, and neither is it obvious. I assume the lever you refer to is the one that lowers the Es to D#. That is the basis of the B6 tuning that most universals are based on, and has all the strings you'd expect.
Maybe the guy you mentioned used the extra pedal to lower string 7 a half step to imitate P5 on the C6 - this is not a regular E9 change and is the one you'd most likely miss. Or maybe to raise 5&6 a whole step to give a P7. This is useful anyway on regular E9 as it gives a nice 7th chord with string 7 as the root.
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Bryce Van Parys
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Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Dec 2022 11:53 am
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I set up my 0 pedal (Franklin) to accommodate a C6 from Strings 4-9. I use it a lot. It avoids having to relearn anything from my lap steel, and an added benefit of a LKR that give me a minor chord
4 E
5 +1/2 C
6 +1/2 A
7 +1/2 G
8 E
9 -1 C
Took some new pull trains, but I had room in the changer. I have a new Royal Precision, and I don't notice the pedal being too stiff or any cabinet drop. Stays as in tune as anything else
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K Maul
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Hadley, NY/Hobe Sound, FL
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Posted 13 Dec 2022 12:43 pm
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I had a guitar once with a 4th pedal that lowered the ninth string D-B and the 10th string down B-G#. That with the Eb lever made a nice strum-able B6 all the way across with added lower notes. You might find it useful. The idea of the F#-F change is also pretty good.
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 13 Dec 2022 9:40 pm
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| Bryce Van Parys wrote: |
I set up my 0 pedal (Franklin) to accommodate a C6 from Strings 4-9. I use it a lot. It avoids having to relearn anything from my lap steel, and an added benefit of a LKR that give me a minor chord
4 E
5 +1/2 C
6 +1/2 A
7 +1/2 G
8 E
9 -1 C
Took some new pull trains, but I had room in the changer. I have a new Royal Precision, and I don't notice the pedal being too stiff or any cabinet drop. Stays as in tune as anything else |
That's a good idea but the Es are sharp with E9 and flat with C6, so you have to make your C6 a little sharp? No problem with that? |
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Richard Alderson
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2022 7:23 am 9th string lower
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If you lower 9th string D to C#, LKR on most guitars, at the same time the E lower knee lever is engaged, that adds the 9th string to any C6th/B6th chord inversions on the E9th neck. Of course that's not really adding anything, on most guitars that's already there.
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2022 8:07 am
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This page from my web site might be useful to you. Raising the 7th string a whole tone provides a few nice things.
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/C6th%20On%20E9th/C6th%20On%20E9th.html
Often overlooked is half pedaling the A pedal while pressing the B pedal. This simulates a lot of the C6 pedals 5 and 6 actions for 7th and 9th chords. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 15 Dec 2022 10:39 am
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My 4th pedal (adjacent to my A pedal) lowers 9, 6 and 3 a half-tone. It's in tune, gives an A9 (open) and a m7b5.
I now have my 10th string going down to G# on RKR. Originally, I had it lowering to A along with lowering 9 and 2. There's a natural feel-stop, so I can still get the low A. C# on the 9th and, with the B pedal, a nice rich A chord.
The extra travel to G# is something I've always wanted to try. I'll see how much use it actually gets. |
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Justin Griffith
From:
Taylor, Texas, USA
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Posted 16 Dec 2022 6:00 pm
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Johnny Cox
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Joe Drivdahl
From:
Montana, USA
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Posted 16 Dec 2022 10:45 pm
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I have a Franklin pedal but I’m not sure what it does. I usually forget about it.
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 17 Dec 2022 12:15 am
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| Greg Cutshaw wrote: |
This page from my web site might be useful to you. Raising the 7th string a whole tone provides a few nice things.
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/C6th%20On%20E9th/C6th%20On%20E9th.html
Often overlooked is half pedaling the A pedal while pressing the B pedal. This simulates a lot of the C6 pedals 5 and 6 actions for 7th and 9th chords. |
Great stuff Greg!! Thanks! |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2022 8:38 am
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| I 've got an Excel 12 string with D13 tuning coming in a bout 4 more weeks. It will be interesting to see if I can find some new sounds on it. Most of of us are limited more by our abilities than our guitars or copedants. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 17 Dec 2022 12:34 pm
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| I raise my 6th from G# to A# on LKV. If you're playing in the 'B' mode (with the Es lowered), raising the 6th to A# and engaging the A pedal will replicate pedal 7 on C6. |
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2022 11:57 pm
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Here is another discussion of C6th on the E9th neck.
If you put (Sigler Pedal) in search at the top of the page, It will take you to an article by Jack Wilson about the Mike Sigler's (RIP) Sigler Pedal, He put on a S10 E9th tuning guitar, He used for a light steel for flight gigs. |
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