B Benders in general -again-some basics

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

In the previous thread

D Schubert wrote:
But back to the benders, each one is slightly different but after using a bender for many years they're more-or-less interchangeable in use.

I would agree. But here are some of additional points of clarity worthy of additional discussion.

PULLING systems, be it neck plate or upper bout, are very similar in performance, they leave your picking hand free to navigate whatever it is you are doing, unencumbered.

There are many NET discussions about the various systems , which one is better etc.. The discussion that I find the most curious is those that say they are ruining the guitar with an installed system such as an Evans or a Forrest Lee jr etc , some even call it hacking up the guitar. Then there are those that say they can do everything they NEED or want to do with a Palm lever. Both of those leave me with questions.

Hacking up or ruining the guitar - These individuals have already decided that they will bring the guitar back to NON Bender one day, before they even began the journey. They need it to be reversable, like a Hipshot or a Palm lever. The Bender is a Novelty rather than a new Instrument.

Palm levers do all I NEED. In the Pedal Steel world that equates to I only need 2 Pedals and 1 knee lever, I'm never going to go beyond that.

I've joined plenty of NET discussions and they all end up in the same place at some point, many want to add a Bender pull but once it is on the guitar they don't know what to do with it because their fretboard knowledge or their THOUGHT process is still back in NON Bender territory. So when they get frustrated the easiest thing to do is reverse the installation.

Now I'm no Bender Savant here , but I did recognize early on that to become more efficient with the B or G pull, regardless of how it mechanically operates, it required stepping out of the OLD fret board box and expand into new territory, meaning different root positions and intervals which place the B or G pull (or release) into the ZONE.

Another thing often overlooked is while of course these are Benders, meaning they PULL the B or G UP , they also RELEASE back to the natural note. Meaning we are beginning a phrase with the string already PULLED ( ahead of time) but when we execute the phrase, its the RELEASE that is the primary phrase. This is very difficult to do with a Palm Lever.

The other part of many discussions is that many "new or infatuated" players want to sound like a Pedal Steel Guitar, so they add a Bender. Within a day or so they learn that B or G Benders don't actually emulate a Pedal Steel. Sure some phrases come close and do, but overall they do not. So now they are back to what do I do with this contraption ? There are basically 3 options- 1- remain where you are with fret board knowledge 2- Study and IMPROVE your fret board knowledge or 3- REMOVE the contraption from the guitar. Many choose option 3 .

OK--- There is a serious problem with #2- Once we study and get more acclimated and improve, we are not happy with just ONE Bender guitar ! Next thing ya know we have a room full of Bender guitars ! There may be medicine available for the phenomenon ! Laughing

The most I have ever owned at one time was 5, I currently own TWO which for me , at this time, is fine.

Discussion Coming soon

Which Bender - B Pull or G Pull ? whats the difference ? But we'll save that for another day

Those of us that have Glaser Convertible systems, ( or double Bender) we can make the swap and probably answer our own question
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Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

Sorry- I'm on my phone and never learned how to post links - so you'll need to look it up on YouTube.

Jimmy Olander is one of the notable bender exponents and he uses it effectively with Diamond Rio. He has a channel where he dissects some of his solos; the later ones display the B/G bender. Jimmy uses a Glaser unit.

He's a remarkable musician to start with so well worth checking out. If you're wondering about the benders potential, he'll fire you up.

And Tony is correct. While the first objective in the '60s was to emulate steel guitar, what has evolved is a nuance all of its own. In the early days, Clarence White and Bob Warford were the pre-eminent bender players and their work is worth finding.

I didn't get the G option and I've no regrets
but I'll admit to a sneaking desire to try one for myself.

I just have two electric guitars nowadays - both Teles and both with benders! I've had more over the years. Smile

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Jim Sliff · From: Lawndale California, USA

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

What Jim stated above, I personally can't stress enough to - "pay attention" . B or G Benders , while they are still 6 string guitars they are different Instruments . If we treat them as a novelty glued onto the 6 stringer, we may miss the entire objective. The thought process, the finger positioning, the intervals etc.. are what makes it "it's own".

Many players overlook, forget or maybe never considered that while the Bender mechanism is a PULL UP system...the B or G string can BEGIN a phrase already PULLED UP and its the RELEASE that creates the phrasing, not the PULL UP. The musical tension can be the release.

While I don't pretend to be any sort of "savant" ( LOL ) or expert, I am pretty dialed in with multiple redundant positions and intervals on the Bender which I prefer. Study redundant positions and intervals, placing the B or G string inside a triad, pull it or release it, alternate fingering - its a brave new world ! Very Happy

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D Schubert · From: Columbia, MO, USA

Another way to look at it? Those of you who are pedal-steel-proficient would have to alter your style considerably to play with the limitation only one pedal (B-C#)

And those of you who are very guitar proficient would also have to alter your style considerably with the significant addition of one pedal (B-C#).

As noted above, one of the first student priorities is to take a look at chord inversions up and down the neck, and see how that one moving note can be used. In both directions, from C#-B or from B-C#, additive and subtractive.

And then, take a look the bender plus another "trick" in the same chord. For instance, try a D chord shape on the first three strings, add a suspended 4th with your pinkie on the first string at the same time you bend up the second string.

Maybe it's just me, but I've found that the longer I've played a B-bender, the less I use it. However, when I do it's likely to be go-like-hell for 4-8 bars, and then shut it down.

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

Good points.

It's a part of my playing now whereas, in the beginning, I over-used it rather self-consciously.

Yes, I love the licks that 'fall under the fingers' like those original fills on the Everly's 'I'm on my Way Back Home Again' - bends within other sustaining strings that would be impossible without the device - but my favourite application is to move the B string within a chord.

Even fingering a simple Cma7 at the third fret - barré across the strings, 4th str/5th fret, 3rd str/4th fret - then pull the 2nd string from the D note to the E. There are countless examples like this. It's not 'pedal steel-like', but opens another door for six-string electric.

I'm inspired to dig in again and find more (I've been somewhat preoccupied by my steel these last few months). Oddly, they're not everyone's cup-of-tea, but I like anything that broadens the scope of an instrument.

Greg Cutshaw · From: Corry, PA, USA

I use the B bender the most but I do have one guitar that has a B&W bender (now taken over by a new vendor) with both B and G strings. The new Brent Mason Fender guitar has a really smooth bender. With .009 - .042 strings I can get pretty close to the bender sound by manually bending the strings.

There's many ways of doing this including the "pull-string" guitar technique and the guy that used to play for Tommy Cash that you could not tell from a pedal steel. I watched Buddy Charleton be amazed by this guy doing chromatic E9th riffs on a 6 string guitar at Ponderosa Park. He had the pulls and the tone down 100% on fast and slow songs!

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Fender%20Bender/Fender%20Bender.html

D Schubert · From: Columbia, MO, USA

I'm not sure I can put my hands on it, but there is a bootleg tape of Clarence White warming up before a show that is very inspirational. (I'll look for it today). Seems that he rambles through keys of C, G, D, A, and E in no particular order, and plays some things that maybe never made it to a released album.

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