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Topic: New possibilities for creating music |
Mike Neer
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Posted 5 Jun 2022 8:05 pm |
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Do you ever get ideas, even crazy ideas, that you have no clue how to bring to life but you keep digging and digging and then voila! the pieces just start to fit together? I have been going through that a lot lately and I am so blown away by the limitless possibilities and frankly, amazing ingenuity of people designing software and hardware. It’s not even that an application tells you how to use it anymore, it’s that you tell it what to do and even your wildest imagination can’t stump it. This is a new kind of geekery for me.
I just love making music and this video represents another step closer to some interesting things. I’m not anywhere near where I want to be, as my playing suffers still when I multitask, but for compositional purposes, to be able to have so much at my disposal there is no excuse for me not to be creating new music, and lots of it. That is all I want to do.
Anyway, this video shows me playing around with some new changes to my rig and plugins I found that work really well for my purposes. The playing is not my best, but I still am excited about it.
Let me know what you think. this is just the beginning.
https://youtu.be/yLPrLDhSBag
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Allan Revich
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Posted 5 Jun 2022 9:16 pm
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I like it a lot. I especially like that the lap steel does not get lost in the mix, but also doesn’t dominate or overtake the ambience.
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Current Tunings:
6 String | G – G B D G B D
7 String | G6 – e G B D G B D (re-entrant)
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Lee Gauthier
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Göteborg, Sweden
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Posted 5 Jun 2022 11:08 pm
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| What organ pedals are you using for this? Being your own bass player is a fun reason skip those string bending pedals so many have. |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 6 Jun 2022 4:08 am
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| Lee Gauthier wrote: |
| What organ pedals are you using for this? Being your own bass player is a fun reason skip those string bending pedals so many have. |
Lee, those are Studiologic MIDI pedals. They connect to my laptop, which is running all of my software synths, DAW etc. I've just started programming chords into the plugin to be controlled by the pedals too, which is what you're hearing here. So the MIDI pedals are actually triggering 3 separate virtual instruments.
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Steve Cunningham
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Atlanta, GA
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Jesse Pearson
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San Diego , CA
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Posted 7 Jun 2022 2:58 pm
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| Sounds great. My girl was listening as she did the dishes and asked if it was Pink Floyd because it sounded spacey lol...I think that's some legit jazz...Good job |
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Andrew Goulet
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Posted 7 Jun 2022 4:58 pm
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Awesome. I could see this approach being used for many different styles, depending on how fast your foot was.
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Marlen S12 pedal steel
SX 6 string lap steel
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 8 Jun 2022 4:46 am
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I appreciate everyone’s comments. Thank you!
Jesse, as far as Pink Floyd, absolutely, there are some things that I’ve done lately that definitely brought that thought to mind. I really like the fact that I can go in any direction at any time. Learning how to utilize my software has been the biggest challenge and I am taking the smallest baby steps daily. It’s kind of like “oh, I’d like to be able to do [x], let me spend the next week trying to figure it out.”
Steve, George Russell screwed me up for life! #11 just sounds right to me
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 8 Jun 2022 4:59 am
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Interesting journey you're on, Mike. I'm reminded of some 70s fusion I've heard but there's much more than that going on here. You're really going into some new territory for incorporating steel into other technologies for making music. Listening. Appreciating. Wondering where it goes next.
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 8 Jun 2022 5:17 am
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| Andy Volk wrote: |
| Interesting journey you're on, Mike. I'm reminded of some 70s fusion I've heard but there's much more than that going on here. You're really going into some new territory for incorporating steel into other technologies for making music. Listening. Appreciating. Wondering where it goes next. |
I can't escape from some of my deepest influences, many of which are from the fusion era. Weather Report, Jeff Beck, Allan Holdsworth, Jan Hammer. George Duke, Miles. But I don't want my music to be complicated, I don't want to work that hard. Sophisticated yes, complicated no.
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Tim Toberer
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Nebraska, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2022 5:35 am
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| This is brilliant! I could see this being used for so many styles of music. It sort of reminds me of an electric version of Jesse Fullers "Footdella" https://www.wirz.de/music/fuller.htm |
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Mark Mansueto
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Michigan, USA
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Stefan Robertson
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Hertfordshire, UK
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Posted 22 Jun 2022 8:21 am
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Digging the Fusion vibe.
Can't wait to hear your Alan Holdsworth monster licks.  and represent England
Funnily was just mapping out the 7 modes of limited transposition that are used in fusion. I had Allan holdsworths modes mapped out but applying it will take some years to reach those break neck speeds.
I like his approach to music.
Start at the nut and go to the bridge.
Chords - invert the hell out of a chord and create huge octave gaps or really tight gaps
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Stefan
Bill Hatcher custom 12 string Lap Steel Guitar
E13#9/F secrets: https://thelapsteelguitarist.wordpress.com
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Stefan Robertson
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Hertfordshire, UK
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Posted 22 Jun 2022 8:28 am
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Holdsworth fusion uses 4 octaves. My steel craps out at 3 ridiculously difficult to cover at speed. So may stick with 2 octaves and just shift up past 12th fret to get the other octave.
Keep the fusion work up. Always cool to break new ground. Also there hasn't ever been a Holdsworth on lap steel. 
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Bill Hatcher custom 12 string Lap Steel Guitar
E13#9/F secrets: https://thelapsteelguitarist.wordpress.com
"Give it up for The Lap Steel Guitarist" |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 22 Jun 2022 8:32 am
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| Stefan Robertson wrote: |
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I like his approach to music.
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I’ve been a major fan of Allan’s since some time in the early 80s. I probably saw him 30 times over the years. One of my deepest inspirations. But even when I waa playing guitar, I stayed away from trying to copy him much because to me everyone doing it sounded like a cheap imitation. There’s a quality in his lines that no one could capture.
Anyway, I have played around with trying to capture some of his tone and vibrato, but as far as lines are concerned, I would rather be like a summary of what he was playing in far fewer notes, not that I wouldn’t love to burn like that, but I would be on the wrong horse (instrument). I am all about selecting the perfect wrong notes. That is not a joke. I like pushing the limits of harmony in subtle ways.
Long live Allan Holdsworth!
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Stefan Robertson
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Hertfordshire, UK
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Posted 22 Jun 2022 2:56 pm
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I think its because most people who copied him played 3 notes per string whereas his entire style is based on 4 notes per string which meant his changes and notes all came at unexpected (wrong note) choices and based on math led him to use odd and even note scales in different ways.
Plus he wanted to get long flowing horn lines hence why he went for a legato technique.
All the early copies were trying to achieve it with 3 notes per string just simply would never work.
Who wouldn't like to play like Allan - mathematical musical genius and alien from outer space and avid British cyclist.
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Stefan
Bill Hatcher custom 12 string Lap Steel Guitar
E13#9/F secrets: https://thelapsteelguitarist.wordpress.com
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 22 Jun 2022 7:30 pm
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Every night I create at least one or two or even three of these. I do it for compositional ideas, jamming, just getting creative. Everything Is completely random, so I have no preconceived ideas. One action follows another, usually drums first. This just turned into this Rock thing that all of a sudden transported me to my 1980s 4-track cassette studio trying to create little tunes, with all those influences and sounds and absolute cheesiness coming out. I was thinking of one of my all-time favorite guitarists, Pat Thrall, while I was playing, exaggerating the vibrato like it’s a vibrato bar on a Strat. If you ever get the chance, listen to his guitar solo on Stomu Yamashta’s ‘Crossing The Line” with Steve Winwood. Just breathtaking.
Anyway, playing bass pedals and creating this live.
https://youtu.be/kDdG4e40hpo
Current rig pic.
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