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Topic: Bob Dunn solos in Tab |
Tim Toberer
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Posted 2 Jun 2022 10:29 am |
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I am looking for anything to help me learn some of this old style of playing. It is very challenging!! This is the most useful info so far. https://b0b.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Across-the-South.pdf
I just found this which has some useful bits, but not in Tab sadly. I don't know why steel guitar(or standard guitar) is ever printed without tab, because there are always multiple ways to play a melodic line. Tab is way more useful.
https://dc.uwm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1092&context=etd
I remember someone mentioning there is a song or 2 in The Complete Dobro Player. I will have to pick up a copy at some point. |
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Mike Neer
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Jim Kaznosky
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New Jersey, USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2022 10:42 am
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| That is fascinating. There is something similar on Django's style including approximately 200 transcriptions and a very deep exploration of common motifs he used by a gentleman named Benjamin Givan. Not that this helps, but I dig the geekery. |
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Guy Cundell
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More idle ramblings from South Australia
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Samuel Phillippe
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Douglas Michigan, USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2022 4:54 pm
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These examples are a whole lot of reading....
Sam |
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Tim Toberer
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Nebraska, USA
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Posted 3 Jun 2022 5:31 am
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Thanks Mike! It looks like I have some work to do. I am glad you got the site back up and running. It is a great resource!!
On a side note, one of my other obscure heroes is Snoozer Quinn. There are a couple of amazing recordings of him playing Singing the Blues. Here is one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1hFxWWakKs
I think this song is suspected to be the influence for Takin Off (thanks Guy!). I would love to find Tab for this song as my attempts haven't been very successful. I remember first listening to Jeremy Wakefield's Steel Guitar Caviar and his version grabbed me right away. It was only later that I heard Bob Dunn and I realized it was a note for note rendition of his stunning solo. It is funny how the circle goes around! |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 3 Jun 2022 5:57 am
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I’ve been a fan of the legend of Snoozer for about 20 years. I am excited to check out the book. I did a lot of chasing and listening for a while there.
I have the Fat Cat LP, but those recordings and all the others stuff from the Wiggs tapes are available at the Louisiana Library archives (I don’t remember exactly which library).
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Roy Thomson
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Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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Tim Toberer
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Nebraska, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2022 5:31 am
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| The above link if it works is to a Bob Dunn solo I did several years ago. I have Tab and slow down MP3 and Tab. |
I really like your playing on this Roy! You add your own touch and I hear what you are saying about the Hawaiian influence. I also really notice the ragtime influence in the phrasing, which was ubiquitous at the time I guess. I am interested in getting the Tab.
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| The Fretboard Journal did a recent podcast about Snoozer and there is a new book out as well. |
I will listen to this today on my way to work! I think this is the book, which has been on the internet for a while. https://digitallibrary.tulane.edu/islandora/object/tulane%3A25318/datastream/PDF/view
Sadly all the transcriptions are in standard notation and not Tab. Useless to me. I generally only use Tab to help me get an idea of how something is played. I am much better if I learn things by ear. There are some great insights into his playing. Maybe they will add some things in the book? I will still probably still buy it. I'm sort of obsessed with Snoozer and I think his playing is very useful to steel guitar players or any musicians who want to learn good voice leading. Really he is just about the tastiest guitar player I have ever listened to. Merle Travis, Blind Blake and Snoozer Quinn are the holy trinity for finger style players in my opinion. I am working through Out of Nowhere and I feel I am getting pretty accurate on his chord choices. The way his chords morph from one to the other reminds me a lot of good steel guitar chord soloing. It all seems to be chord based improvisation. Nothing unusual, standard chord shapes, just amazing how he weaves them together! |
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 6 Jun 2022 5:39 am
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Tim, George Van Eps became one of the great fingerstyle players after getting blown away by Andres Segovia’s appearance in NY is the 1930s. Check out his playing on Jump Records. He was a little less raw than the other guys but his earlier recordings with Louis Prima, Jess Stacy and many others was really unique in the same sense as Snoozer. A lot of movement in the voices..
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Tim Toberer
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Nebraska, USA
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Posted 7 Jun 2022 5:21 am
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| George Van Eps became one of the great fingerstyle players after getting blown away by Andres Segovia’s appearance in NY is the 1930s. Check out his playing on Jump Records. |
Those are absolutely amazing! I found most of it on YouTube along with a bunch of other great stuff, as usual thanks to the algorithm. Listening to this now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaYtnGRqBek Thanks for the tip. I'll have to get some of this stuff. He sounds a lot like Dick Mcdonough a few numbers. He can really get those voices moving! His right hand technique looks very much like a classical guitarist. Snoozer almost looks like a mad clawhammer banjo player! The name Van Eps comes up so often in the fingerstyle guitar world, yet his recordings remain relatively obscure. It really seems odd. He is still a guitarist's guitar player I suppose. |
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 7 Jun 2022 6:16 am
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Here is a really great clip of Matty Matlock with George in the 50s. George plays a really nice solo and you can see him in action. I am a big fan of George’s playing from the 30s through the 50s. In the 40s, George stopped playing to go to work for the government in wartime, because of his knowledge of watchmaking, which was a family thing handed down from his grandfather. Such a brilliant family. They grew up in my area and I need to do more to get out and find their homes and Fred’s banjo factory location. I know where Bill Evans lived nearby.
https://youtu.be/uI32xotNDTE
I worked out a lot of George’s Harmonic Mechanisms Ideas for steel guitar and they greatly shaped the way I was able to grok the C6 neck, and subsequently almost all other tunings. His book The George Van Eps Guitar Method is one of the great method books ever written, for it teaches digital independence of the fretting hand. George came from a banjo background (his father was Fred Van Eps, banjo icon).
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Tim Toberer
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Nebraska, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2022 5:22 am
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| His book The George Van Eps Guitar Method is one of the great method books ever written, |
I have no doubt about this. I just checked it out and was almost relieved to find out it is all in standard notation, so it is a no go for me. I can't seem to learn much from method books anyway. I think the old ones are still the best. It is getting late in the game for me to think about trying to read music now. This has surely been a handicap, but I feel that Tab is in some ways superior for guitar.
Mike have you ever listened to Pasquale Grasso? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEuR0q7QYK8 There are not many guitarists who can even be mentioned in the same sentence as Van Eps, but this guy is taking it to a new level, and he doesn't need 7 strings to do it. It is hilarious to read the reactions to this guy hitting the scene on jazz guitar forums. All these guys are pondering their meaning of existence after hearing him. I would imagine Van Eps had the same effect at his time. Watching his fingers move over the fretboard is a sight see. Each finger seems to have its own brain! I think he lives in New York.
In the end I love listening to these musical geniuses, and I hope it makes me a better player. (Hey it can't hurt!) At some point however, technical ability seems to almost detract from music. In some ways I still prefer to listen to Lonnie Johnson or Eddie Lang.
Anyone who wants the Snoozer book, I think it is available now at a few places mentioned on their twitter page. It does have some added transcriptions. Let me know if they are in Tab. |
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