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Topic: Way to firm up feel stop on old Justice S10 3x4? |
Glenn Burleigh
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St. Louis, MO, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2021 7:13 am |
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Hey folks,
I've had my Justice S10 3x4 for quite a while, and it is a great, lightweight gigging steel. I have the old version, with double raise and single lower changer. At this point, my guitar is what they currently sell as a S-10 Jr. My one issue with it is the feel stop to drop D# to D is real hard to hit right. I also have an Encore, which has a more solid feel to the half stop and is easier to be accurate with. Does anybody have a tip on firming up the lever action on these? I've adjusted the spring tension, and I've gotten it about as good as I think I can with that, alone. Besides that, it is a phenomenal grab-and-go steel. I'll keep gigging with it. Any tips would be appreciated.
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Dekley Slimline 3x4, Sho~bud Professional, Encore 3x5, Fender Custom Professional, Gold Tone PDS-D, Melbert Roundabout, Gibson Les Paul Junior Special, Ibanez Custom Agent, Danelectro U2 Baritone, various Teles and Strats. |
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David Nugent
From:
Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 15 Dec 2021 7:32 am
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| Glenn..Check to determine if the lower on string #2 is in sync with string #9, in other words, set the lower to begin engaging when string #2 is at the halfway point. The increase in pressure from string #9 should result in a more positive half stop feel. |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 15 Dec 2021 7:35 am
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If the tension from the 9th pedal engaging the D=>C# change at the string 2 half-stop point isn't enough to give you a firm half-stop, there are a few different approaches. The most common is to use a spring-loaded half-stop mechanism like this one - https://www.psgparts.com/1-2-Stop-Assembly-107-060.htm from Michael Yahl or this one - https://mullenguitars.com/shop/ols/products/half-stop-mechanism - from Mullen. It doesn't look like Michael's is available right now, so I'd talk to Mullen. WBS pedal steels in Germany makes a guitar with its own RealStop mechanism, described here - https://www.wbssteelguitars.com/index.php?page=realstop&lan=US - I don't know if they sell it separately, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to ask. It's more money, but it does look very heavy duty and I have read good reports on it.
An alternative method is described here - https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=353519 - this is a home-brew solution, but the stated advantage is that using a notch in a rod for the half-stop instead of a spring means that you're not adding tension to the lever. If I can figure out how to make one of these, I'm gonna try it.
My Mullen G2 came with a 3rd pull on the lever that lowers 2 and 9 - it raises the 7th string. I have timed that to start at the same time the 9th starts to lower, and that has given me a very firm half-stop on 2.
If you do a forum search in the Pedal Steel section for half stop spring, you'll see a bunch of discussions on this general issue. As you'll see, there are a few different ways to approach this problem. |
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Glenn Burleigh
From:
St. Louis, MO, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2021 7:54 am
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I tried tightening 9 and it has improved the feel, already. Will have time to really try and dial in, later today. I appreciate the tips!
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Dekley Slimline 3x4, Sho~bud Professional, Encore 3x5, Fender Custom Professional, Gold Tone PDS-D, Melbert Roundabout, Gibson Les Paul Junior Special, Ibanez Custom Agent, Danelectro U2 Baritone, various Teles and Strats. |
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Landon Johnson
From:
Washington, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2021 5:10 pm
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| Yep; that worked on my prolite as well. |
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