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Topic: Advice on Student Copedent |
Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 6 Dec 2021 2:09 pm |
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I am doing some work on a beginner's steel that went way out of whack. It is a pull-release steel with 3 + 4. I'm all done but ---
The 2nd string is set up to lower D# > C#. It does not have a feeler half-stop and I can't figure if it is even possible to use the 9th string D > C# engagement to create a feel with this pull-release (the way you would with an all-pull).
For a beginning student it is my opinion that given an either/or choice of D or C#, if you can only choose one, I would rather he had a simple lower to D and never mind about the full step to C#. Later for that. I am not interested in adding hardware so a Sho-Bud/MSA style rod with spring is not going to happen.
My main question is: do people agree with this thinking?
I am not his teacher and I don't want to impose my opinion on him unless I can get a bunch of agreement that this is solid ground. It will take all of a minute to make this change if I decide to do it. It will take even less time to not do it.
If it's a yes, I'll explain it to him before I do it. I expect he'll be happy to have the community's input on it. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2021 2:17 pm
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| D natural is more useful. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2021 2:17 pm
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I would set it up to go to D only.
A solid stop on the D note. |
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Dave Mudgett
From:
Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 6 Dec 2021 2:18 pm
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| I agree with your thinking. If I had to have only one, it would be D#=>D. Many more uses in my world. |
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 6 Dec 2021 2:19 pm
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| Jon, I think on a pull-release I would go with D#-D. I played that way for 20 years before forcing myself to deal with the 1/2 tone stop ! I might still go back. JMHO. |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 6 Dec 2021 2:22 pm
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| Good. I was wondering if I was missing something because this is a factory setup Jackson Mav and I won't pretend to know more than the Jacksons. But I want that D. C# can do cool stuff but to me, D is essential. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 6 Dec 2021 4:25 pm
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A thread where everyone agrees, including me? I must be dreaming 
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2021 5:12 pm
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I removed the full step lower after moving it to a pedal for a couple of years. I rarely used it, and I like a solid D note.
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 6 Dec 2021 7:04 pm
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I think the D is much more useful.
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Tucker Jackson
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2021 11:43 pm
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| Stage One and Carter Starter guitars only lower to D. It's a scale note in pedals-down position. Meanwhile, you've already got a C# available with the A- and C-pedals. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 7 Dec 2021 1:04 am
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Historically, the first lever to appear on PSGs lowered 8 to D# and 2 to D, which as Tucker points out is in the scale of A. Lowering all the way to C# came later but isn't essential, although it offers a useful extra bit of movement.
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