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Topic: Must know pedal steel tunes for traditional country band |
Wade Wilbur
From: West Virginia, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 11:27 am
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I did a search and found several threads about this, but nothing specific to this topic (that I found) and many were old, although I guess "traditional" country probably doesn't change drastically.
I'm looking to get into play pedal steel and was wondering what a list of must-know tunes would be for a traditional country player.
Thanks for any suggestions! |
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john buffington
From: Owasso OK - USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 11:37 am
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Ray Price, Johnny Bush, Darrell McCall, Buck Owens anything in the era "when Country was Country", IMO. |
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Paddy Long
From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 12:06 pm
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And anything by Hank Williams Snr !!!! _________________ 14'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
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Dave Mudgett
From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 12:46 pm
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The list can get as long as you like. Add most anything you like by Merle Haggard, George Jones, Ernest Tubb, Lefty Frizzell, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, Charley Pride, Conway Twitty, Mel Tillis, Webb Pierce, Don Williams, Faron Young, and Willie Nelson.
And if you have a female singer (we do) - Patsy Cline, Loretta Lynn, Tammy Wynette, Emmylou Harris, Patty Loveless, Connie Smith, and Dolly Parton.
Wanna go even more folk-traditional - add the Carter Family, Jimmie Rodgers, Roy Acuff, and the Louvin Brothers. Or obviously Bill Monroe, Flatt & Scruggs, and Jimmie Martin and more if you're inclined that way.
Wanna go more neo-traditional - add Vince Gill, Randy Travis, George Strait, Alan Jackson, Ricky Skaggs, Dwight Yoakum, Marty Stuart, and Gary Stewart.
Or if you wanna swing more, add Bob Wills, Hank Thompson, Spade Cooley, and Asleep at the Wheel.
And there are so many more ... |
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Wade Wilbur
From: West Virginia, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 12:53 pm
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Thanks for the replies. I'm really looking for specific tunes. As a new steel player, I won't be able to work on 100 tunes at once, I'm really looking for help in prioritizing.
Maybe the list is too long to narrow down; what do I know??
Maybe a better way to phrase my question is, "If you were talking to a new steel player, what are the first 10-20 tunes you'd tell them learn if their goal was to play in a traditional country band." |
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Erv Niehaus
From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 1:06 pm
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You should check my posting of Country Classic tabs for sale.
All the old standards are there, approx. 450+.
Erv |
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Roger Crawford
From: Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 1:09 pm
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Farewell Party
Look At Us
Together Again
Highway 40 Blues
Last Date
For The Good Times
Silver Wings
Your Cheatin’ Heart
Boot Scootin’ Boogie
Hello Darlin’
He Stopped Loving Her Today
Walk Through This World With Me
Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain
Mama Tried
Heartaches By The Number
As mentioned above, anything by Hank Sr, Haggard, Price, Jones. |
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Lane Gray
From: Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 1:15 pm
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Specific tunes?
Gene Watson/Lloyd Farewell Party
Ray Price/Jimmy Day Crazy Arms
Faded Love
Moon's intros to Bottle Let Me Down and Mama Tried
Buck Owens/Tom Brumley Together Again
all spring to mind _________________ 2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Andy Vance
From: Graham, Washington, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 1:36 pm
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Wade Wilbur wrote: |
Thanks for the replies. I'm really looking for specific tunes. As a new steel player, I won't be able to work on 100 tunes at once, I'm really looking for help in prioritizing.
Maybe the list is too long to narrow down; what do I know??
Maybe a better way to phrase my question is, "If you were talking to a new steel player, what are the first 10-20 tunes you'd tell them learn if their goal was to play in a traditional country band." |
Wade,
I think the list will depend on where you plan on playing steel. What are steel standards in Texas may not be steel standards in WV. Are there a few working country bands you could go listen to and write down song titles and then go find out which had steel in them on the recordings? If multiple bands repeat the same song, you are on your way to having a useful list for your area. I know a lot of bands don't have steel players and still play songs that had a lot of steel on the recording.
Just a thought to get you some songs that may be useful based on where you are located. |
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Pete Burak
From: Portland, OR USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 1:57 pm
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Buck Owens, Merle Haggard, and Waylon Jennings, greatest hits. |
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Dave Mudgett
From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 2:39 pm
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Yeah - just look at the top hits with any of the singers mentioned - just listen for plenty of steel guitar in the tunes. A few by Hank Williams, and maybe 1-2 each by Merle, Buck, Ray Price, George Jones, Waylon, Charley Pride, Loretta Lynn, and maybe something a bit more modern like Vince Gill, Randy Travis, George Strait. Or any of the other ones mentioned. I picked those because they had some of the best steel players in the biz on their records.
As long as there's plenty of steel in the tunes, I don't really think it matters exactly which ones you choose. The idea is to get a sampling of good steel players doing standard intros/outros, backup, and solos. Chances are, if you're in a band, they will want to play a bunch of different tunes regardless of what you learn, and you'll need to learn them. Figure out how to learn what they're doing in your sample, and that should make the latter job easier.
I think it also makes a big difference if you pick tunes you really like. Motivation to really dig into a tune is really important, and that is easier if you love the tune. |
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Bobby D. Jones
From: West Virginia, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 4:18 pm
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Add Satin Sheets to the list of songs already listed in previous posts.
And Country Roads, At many shows I have played, The audience will join in on the chorus.
Before Covid 19, Last gig March 13,2020.
I played Steel with a band called Touch of Country from the Morgantown/Fairmont, WV area.
Touch of Country was usually the closing act, 1 Saturday Night a month, At Sagebrush Roundup, Near Fairmont. Before Covid 19 hit and the Governors Rules. At one time Face Book, Sagebrush Roundup, Page had Touch of Country's full show live on site.
Touch of Country was house band at 2 local shows. Alternate Friday nights, Between Mountain Heights and Country Roads Jamboree. Both in the Morgantown area.
If there is a local Jam Session, Would be a good place to check out.
Where do you live in WV? |
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Ronnie Boettcher
From: Brunswick Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 5:40 pm
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you have tons of songs given to you. Don't get too fancy, and just play your intro, and turn arounds, when given the nod. If you have a lead guitar, or a fiddle, A lot of times you can split the turn arounds with one of the other lead instruments. That will help you out a great deal. Like play the first 8 measures, and the other one plays the last 8 measures, or switch back and forth. You will be amazed, how easy the song flows. And by all means, do not try to over play the singers, by playing melody with them. Just do fills. Have confidence, and you will do just fine. _________________ Sho-Bud LDG, Martin D28, Ome trilogy 5 string banjo, Ibanez 4-string bass, dobro, fiddle, and a tubal cain. Life Member of AFM local 142 |
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Ronnie Boettcher
From: Brunswick Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 5:47 pm
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Also, here is a few very good songs to learn.
Wild side of life, fits many lyrics
Don't Be Angry, Stonewall Jackson
Green Green Grass OF Home, Porter Wagoner _________________ Sho-Bud LDG, Martin D28, Ome trilogy 5 string banjo, Ibanez 4-string bass, dobro, fiddle, and a tubal cain. Life Member of AFM local 142 |
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George Kimery
From: Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 5:50 pm Must know tunes for a traditional country bznd
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In addition to the ones already mentioned, here are some more that comes to mind that I have played in different country bands:
Swinging Doors
The Bottle Let Me Down
Don't You Ever Get Tired Of Hurting Me
Another Bridge To Burn
All My Ex's Live In Texas
Tennessee Waltz
For The Good Times
Make The World Go Away
Here In The Real World
There Goes My Everything
The Green Grass Of Home
Folsom Prison
Ain't It Funny How Time Slips Away
Whiskey Bent And Hell Bound
Boot Scootin' Boogie
Dumas Walker
Release Me
Crazy
My Shoes Keep Walking Back To You
Invitation To The Blues
Charlie's Shoes
Johnny B. Goode
Tulsa Time
Amanda
Bobby McGee
Jambayla
Just A Swingin'
The Running Kind |
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William Carter
From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2021 6:23 pm
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Roger Crawford gave you a pretty good and concise list since you said you can't work on 100 songs.
You also said you are new, so here's my opinion. Start with Farewell Party. You can find free tabs on the Lloyd Green tribute site. That song is really good practice for harmonized scales up and down the neck. You will learn a lot just by practicing the intro and turnaround.
Also, you can fake your way through most of those songs on Roger's list, but if you try to fake the intro to Farewell Party and don't do the real Lloyd Green intro, everybody is going to notice. Not so much important on those other songs. _________________ _________________
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Wade Wilbur
From: West Virginia, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2021 4:39 am
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Thanks to everyone who replied. Lots of good advice and suggestions! I appreciate your time!
I've put together a playlist with these suggestions to have on while I'm working and just listening, try to get them into my head.
Last edited by Wade Wilbur on 4 Mar 2021 7:55 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Dom Franco
From: Beaverton, OR, 97007
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Posted 4 Mar 2021 7:23 am
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Do you have a gig with a band yet? Do you have an audition?
Just ask the band leader for a song list and research the songs on youtube.
A while ago I started a gig (Pre-covid19) with a younger group of musicians. The leader sent me the titles of the songs they did. (Most of them I had never heard before)
I went to youtube and recorded audio snippets of each tune, to get the progression and signature licks. Then I made cheat sheet notes right on the songlist in red pen... It worked out well and I learned some newer songs. _________________ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYG9cvwCPKuXpGofziPNieA/feed?activity_view=3 |
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Dennis Detweiler
From: Solon, Iowa, US
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Posted 4 Mar 2021 7:44 am
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When I started I just worked on intro's and licks that I liked from the songs that I liked (late 60's and 70's). Some are easy and some not so much. Intro's are most important for getting into a band. There are a few basic Montgomery Ward intros that fit many songs. The top 20 Country hits from each year through the 60's and 70's will get you there. Google a specific year. _________________ 1976 Birdseye U-12 MSA with Telonics 427 pickup, 1975 Birdseye U-12 MSA with Telonics X-12 pickup, Revelation preamp, Carbon Copy Delay and Hall Of Fame Reverb, Crown XLS 1002, 2- 15" Eminence Wheelhouse speakers, ShoBud Pedal, Effects Pedals. 1949 Epiphone D-8. |
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Don R Brown
From: Rochester, New York, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2021 7:49 am
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Wade, as a relatively new player, it will be difficult if not impossible for you to nail a bunch of songs dead on what was done originally. That is above my pay grade and probably above yours.
If you are "into" country music, you probably KNOW most of the songs suggested. My 2 cents worth is concentrate more on playing something that fits in and goes along with the song, and gets you back to where you can hand it off, without trying to get too "perfect". Most audiences don't care (or even KNOW) how Mooney, Franklin, Emmons or anybody else played note for note. For every break in a given song, there is an almost infinite number of things you CAN play on the steel, ranging from simple to complex. If you get to where you can play SOMETHING comfortably, as your skill improves you can spice that up as time goes on.
If you are coming into this being unfamiliar with the country classics themselves, as well as learning a new instrument, my hat is off to you but I really don't know what advice to give for that situation. _________________ Many play better than I do. Nobody has more fun. |
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Wade Wilbur
From: West Virginia, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2021 7:59 am
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Don R Brown wrote: |
Wade, as a relatively new player, it will be difficult if not impossible for you to nail a bunch of songs dead on what was done originally. That is above my pay grade and probably above yours.
If you are "into" country music, you probably KNOW most of the songs suggested. My 2 cents worth is concentrate more on playing something that fits in and goes along with the song, and gets you back to where you can hand it off, without trying to get too "perfect". Most audiences don't care (or even KNOW) how Mooney, Franklin, Emmons or anybody else played note for note. For every break in a given song, there is an almost infinite number of things you CAN play on the steel, ranging from simple to complex. If you get to where you can play SOMETHING comfortably, as your skill improves you can spice that up as time goes on.
If you are coming into this being unfamiliar with the country classics themselves, as well as learning a new instrument, my hat is off to you but I really don't know what advice to give for that situation. |
Thanks. I've been playing traditional country on bass and guitar for about 10 years.
Good advice. As my old guitar teacher used to say, "It's not about how many chords you know, it's about knowing how the use the chords you do know." |
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D Schubert
From: Columbia, MO, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2021 10:11 pm
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If you're not in the band already, steal a copy of the setlist from the guys you want to play with. Try to learn those. |
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Bob Carlucci
From: Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 5 Mar 2021 2:21 am
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MEH, I don't buy much of this...
If you are a new inexperienced player, you are not going to get many calls to go and do cold, unrehearsed gigs with good solid established "traditional country" bands.
You will likely get with a band closer to your skill level, and will be able to learn songs as you go and build up your repetiore of songs over time...
If you plan on being a free lance player doing lots of fill in type gigs with multiple bands/singers etc, and expect to nail every intro, outro, turnaround, and solo of all the thousands of songs you might be asked to play, well good luck..
Just too many possibilites.. There are bands out there still doing Ray Price, and some doing nothing but ""modern country"" but still want a steel for some reason.
No way to cover all the bases in between.. Throw in bands that mix in late 60's to late 70's country rock pedal steel songs that use the steel in a different way than "country" music of the same era, and its an almost impossible task.. What I will suggest is yes, listen to, and learn as much good steel playing from all eras as you can stomach, and simply become the best player you can be.. Your ability level will typically correspond with the gigs you get, and bands you play with in short order.
There ARE guys out there that can go out and know every intro fill solo and ending tag to thousands and thousands of songs from the 1940's to 2021, but lets be realistic, they are pro level or close to it, with decades of seat time with every type of band/singer out there, in every type of venue.
I freelanced for many years, and in my day, the bands were just happy I could get to the gig and get a steel to fill out the sound for a night, not all that worried about if I knew all the intros to the songs I have never played before.
Water finds its level naturally.. Be a good player, and you'll play with good people, its really that simple.
IF we ever get to the point where bands are actually playing again.bob _________________ I'm over the hill and hittin'rocks on the way down!
no gear list for me.. you don't have the time...... |
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Erv Niehaus
From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 5 Mar 2021 7:59 am
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Bob,
Good advise!
Erv |
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Willie Sims
From: PADUCAH, KY, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2021 1:48 pm
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IF I MAKE IT TO JULY 2 ,I WILL BE 95 YEAR'OLD.BEEN TRYING TO ,LEARN HOW TO PLAY STEEL GUITAR FOR ABOUT 75 OF THOSE YEARS.
MOST OF WHAT I LEARNED WAS ON THE BAND STAND,OR STAGE.THAT'S THE BEST PLACE TO LEARN.WHILE YOUR UNDER THE GUN,
EVERY BODY LEARN'S FROM PLAYING IN A GOOD BAND. |
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