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Topic: Fender 400 - $1700 |
Ben Erhart
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Posted 8 Jan 2021 3:49 pm |
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Decided to sell my Fender 400. I acquired this a few months ago thinking I was an 8 string guy, but quickly discovered I’m more for 10 strings. It’s set up in B6, basically Sneaky Pete’s copedent. I’m looking to get 1700, I don’t really want to ship this as it has no case. I’m entertaining any reasonable offers, what I really would love is a Fender 800 with at least 6 pedals if someone is looking to trade. Please feel free to message me with questions or offers.
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A humble tone custodian
Sho~Bud ‘74 Pro III Custom
Sho~Bud ‘72 Professional SD10
Jackson Maverick HD |
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Fish
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Posted 8 Jan 2021 7:16 pm
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Hi Ben-
I'd like to respectfully suggest that you try to keep this beauty! It's in absolutely pristine condition and it has the wider pickup which tone-wise I personally prefer. I bought one just like it in 1985 and I would never ever part with it. I used it on this Jann Browne track in 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SClZ6uGSRT8
I realize it may not be possible financially, but if there's any way you can keep this guitar, you won't regret it.
good luck,
Steve Fishell |
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Ben Erhart
From:
Michigan, USA
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Posted 8 Jan 2021 7:40 pm
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| Fish wrote: |
Hi Ben-
I'd like to respectfully suggest that you try to keep this beauty! It's in absolutely pristine condition and it has the wider pickup which tone-wise I personally prefer. I bought one just like it in 1985 and I would never ever part with it. I used it on this Jann Browne track in 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SClZ6uGSRT8
I realize it may not be possible financially, but if there's any way you can keep this guitar, you won't regret it.
good luck,
Steve Fishell |
Ugh, I wish you hadn’t said that! I love this steel, but I’m getting a 1000 with the wider jazzmaster style pup but it has a roller nut whereas this doesn’t. I like it, but I just found an 800 which seems like it’ll fit my needs better. My loss is someone’s gain!
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A humble tone custodian
Sho~Bud ‘74 Pro III Custom
Sho~Bud ‘72 Professional SD10
Jackson Maverick HD |
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2021 6:26 am
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| Fish wrote: |
Hi Ben-
I'd like to respectfully suggest that you try to keep this beauty! It's in absolutely pristine condition and it has the wider pickup which tone-wise I personally prefer. I bought one just like it in 1985 and I would never ever part with it. I used it on this Jann Browne track in 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SClZ6uGSRT8
I realize it may not be possible financially, but if there's any way you can keep this guitar, you won't regret it.
good luck,
Steve Fishell |
Ben.. I can tell you from experience that although you gain 2 more strings, and a more flexible 2 up 2 down changer with the 800, that you lose a TON in the tone department.. The old 400/1000 guitars pre 1963 or so with the Jazzmaster style pickup have a tone that is unrivaled.. Listen to the sound of Steve's old Fender in the song he posted.. THAT is the sound of the original Fender cable guitars... The 800/2000 as well as the later 400 [sunburst,cast pedals] were better mechanically, but were thinner sounding and lacked some of the sustain.. Still a good sound, but not reallly like the originals.. Believe me i tried.. 3 800'S as well as a later model 400.. The Jaguar style pickup simply was inferior, and the changes made to the changer had a negative impact on the sound.
Many good players were still playing old Fender cable jobs even when Bud/Emmons/ZB guitars were coming to the fore in the mid sixties and early 70's.
However most were using older 400/1000 guitars.. Those that tried the later Fender cable models typically switched to other brands before long... btw, Steve, that was a great cut, and your playing was terrific.. Moony would love it!... bob
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Ben Erhart
From:
Michigan, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2021 7:23 am
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| Bob Carlucci wrote: |
| Fish wrote: |
Hi Ben-
I'd like to respectfully suggest that you try to keep this beauty! It's in absolutely pristine condition and it has the wider pickup which tone-wise I personally prefer. I bought one just like it in 1985 and I would never ever part with it. I used it on this Jann Browne track in 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SClZ6uGSRT8
I realize it may not be possible financially, but if there's any way you can keep this guitar, you won't regret it.
good luck,
Steve Fishell |
Ben.. I can tell you from experience that although you gain 2 more strings, and a more flexible 2 up 2 down changer with the 800, that you lose a TON in the tone department.. The old 400/1000 guitars pre 1963 or so with the Jazzmaster style pickup have a tone that is unrivaled.. Listen to the sound of Steve's old Fender in the song he posted.. THAT is the sound of the original Fender cable guitars... The 800/2000 as well as the later 400 [sunburst,cast pedals] were better mechanically, but were thinner sounding and lacked some of the sustain.. Still a good sound, but not reallly like the originals.. Believe me i tried.. 3 800'S as well as a later model 400.. The Jaguar style pickup simply was inferior, and the changes made to the changer had a negative impact on the sound.
Many good players were still playing old Fender cable jobs even when Bud/Emmons/ZB guitars were coming to the fore in the mid sixties and early 70's.
However most were using older 400/1000 guitars.. Those that tried the later Fender cable models typically switched to other brands before long... btw, Steve, that was a great cut, and your playing was terrific.. Moony would love it!... bob |
See, I’m parting with this one so I can afford the 800 and the 1000. I have a line on both and fully intend on getting both. This guitar is great but I’ve always wanted a 1000, and it’s the same pickup as this 400. Playing the 1000 is reminiscent to this 400, which is why I figured I’d do that instead. Then I can still get the 800, but everyone talking up this 400 is making me have second thoughts!
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A humble tone custodian
Sho~Bud ‘74 Pro III Custom
Sho~Bud ‘72 Professional SD10
Jackson Maverick HD |
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K Maul
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Hadley, NY/Hobe Sound, FL
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Posted 9 Jan 2021 8:01 am
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Ok - Since you are getting the other two I give you permission to unload the 400. Haha😉 Good luck with the sale.
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Mark Perrodin
From:
Tucson Arizona, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2021 8:33 am 400
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ben,
i’ve been in your shoes 100 times, having to sell a guitar to get the next one. your guitar is
a quality guitar and i hope whoever buys it gives B6 a try. that long scale was
meant for that tuning. once you get accustomed to it and learn a few pedal groupings
you can improvise all day long. sorry you have to let it go but obviously you
know what’s best for you. good luck with the sale. |
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tom anderson
From:
leawood, ks., usa
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Posted 9 Jan 2021 4:33 pm
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| I agree, hold on to it. Try switching to an E tuning. |
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Mike DiAlesandro
From:
Kent, Ohio
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Posted 9 Jan 2021 4:51 pm
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| Bob Carlucci wrote: |
| Fish wrote: |
Hi Ben-
I'd like to respectfully suggest that you try to keep this beauty! It's in absolutely pristine condition and it has the wider pickup which tone-wise I personally prefer. I bought one just like it in 1985 and I would never ever part with it. I used it on this Jann Browne track in 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SClZ6uGSRT8
I realize it may not be possible financially, but if there's any way you can keep this guitar, you won't regret it.
good luck,
Steve Fishell |
Ben.. I can tell you from experience that although you gain 2 more strings, and a more flexible 2 up 2 down changer with the 800, that you lose a TON in the tone department.. The old 400/1000 guitars pre 1963 or so with the Jazzmaster style pickup have a tone that is unrivaled.. Listen to the sound of Steve's old Fender in the song he posted.. THAT is the sound of the original Fender cable guitars... The 800/2000 as well as the later 400 [sunburst,cast pedals] were better mechanically, but were thinner sounding and lacked some of the sustain.. Still a good sound, but not reallly like the originals.. Believe me i tried.. 3 800'S as well as a later model 400.. The Jaguar style pickup simply was inferior, and the changes made to the changer had a negative impact on the sound.
Many good players were still playing old Fender cable jobs even when Bud/Emmons/ZB guitars were coming to the fore in the mid sixties and early 70's.
However most were using older 400/1000 guitars.. Those that tried the later Fender cable models typically switched to other brands before long... btw, Steve, that was a great cut, and your playing was terrific.. Moony would love it!... bob |
Bob knows his Fender pedal steel guitars, great explanation! And that cut by Fish is cool as can be, great playing and tone from his 400! |
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 9 Jan 2021 10:09 pm
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Have you ever heard Sneaky's LP "Pete's Wild Ride"?
If you haven't, you need to. It just might make you change your mind about selling that near-perfect 400... |
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Fish
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Posted 10 Jan 2021 6:24 am
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Thanks a lot Bob and Mike for your kind words about my playing on that Jann Browne track. I was trying the best I could to keep up with Jann and the great Albert Lee on lead guitar. My steel was recorded on the very same day I learned my wife was expecting our first child, so my unbridled excitement translated into "Mooney on steroids" that morning.
I didn’t mean to hijack this thread, especially in the For Sale section. And I also don’t want to make Ben’s decision so difficult. It’s your pedal steel, big guy, and your career. I’m just thrilled that you love old Fender steels. Like a ‘59 Les Paul, a mid-50’s Gretsch or a ‘53 Tele will help you capture specific classic guitar tones, my Fender 400 takes me into that wonderful "high lonesome desert" Mooney/Sneaky mindset, something you simply cannot replicate on more modern instruments IMHO. Alongside my '82 Zumsteel, my 400 is a specialty sound I pull out every once in a while that consistently takes my playing back to California.
If nothing more, perhaps all of these comments will help you sell this gem to the next person. What luck for some young player to be able to explore Sneaky's tuning on such a sparkling instrument.
Ben, good luck in all your pedal steel pursuits!
Steve |
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Ben Erhart
From:
Michigan, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2021 9:33 am
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Close it up, sold elsewhere
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A humble tone custodian
Sho~Bud ‘74 Pro III Custom
Sho~Bud ‘72 Professional SD10
Jackson Maverick HD |
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