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Topic: Any Idea How Many Sho~Bud Permanents Were Made? |
Rick Abbott
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Indiana, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2020 9:53 am |
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I did a few searches with no luck; does anyone have a clue how many Permanents were built? One pops up for sale occasionally, but not too frequently. The recent 1960 for sale got me wondering about numbers. Cabinet end ones are seemingly very rare. Ones from 1962-64 seem to be the most plentiful, if you can even use that word.
Chris Lucker might know a bunch, but I don't see him around here anymore.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2020 10:04 am
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That is an impossible number to find out. Why do you need to know how many?? what's wrong with just a ball-park guess; or it is going in some sorta FACTS-BOOK???(which you need to just forget trying to get exact facts on anything-sho~bud...PERIOD!!!....ha)
Ricky
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Ricky Davis
Email Ricky: sshawaiian2362@gmail.com |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2020 12:58 pm
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I know there's no hope of an actual "number," you're right about that! I just got thinking about it, that's all. Did they make 10 D-8's or 150? 1000 total Permanents or only 250? I'd really like to have one at some point. I have a really beat up Miller that was obviously modeled after one and crave a real one. My 1970 Professional (that you set up, haha) has great tone and I love that older, raw sound of the Permanent, too.
E: Looks like I asked a bad question, or touched a nerve. Guess I know better now, thanks!
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer
Last edited by Rick Abbott on 23 Dec 2020 8:38 am; edited 1 time in total |
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David Ball
From:
North Carolina High Country
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Posted 22 Dec 2020 2:23 pm
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I'm very happy to have two Madison made permanents--My favorite guitars. I have a late fifties cabinet end that is completely unmolested/unmodified. Best sounding guitar I've ever had, but it is somewhat limited with its primitive and not quite yet standard copedent. 6 pedals, no knees, Stratosphere pickups. Doesn't matter--Plays and sounds great.
My main player is a 62 or so rosewood/maple with 7 pedals and 4 added later knees. I think this one has early Shot Jackson pickups, but they could still be Stratospheres. Just not sure. Fantastic sound, great pedal/knee action and has all the changes I need. The mechanics are very different from the earlier one, but still all welded at the bellcranks. There is adjustment possible without major modifications (different holes in the bellcranks and the fingers), but there's no easy way to change the copedent that was built in at the Madison shop. I got lucky, and this one was pretty much standard Emmons on both necks.
When set up right (which takes some patience), permanents are simply fantastic guitars. Since my taste in music and steel playing leans heavily towards what was coming out of Nashville in the early sixties, these guitars suit me very well.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2020 2:33 pm
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I hope the Permanents stay in tune better than the Fingertip model.
My first pedal steel was a Sho~Bud Fingertip and I had to re-tune it between every song. 
Erv
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David Ball
From:
North Carolina High Country
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Posted 22 Dec 2020 3:51 pm
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Mine stay in tune as well as any guitars I've had--a bit of effort to get there initially, but solid once you get there. But they're both in good adjustment. Seems that with any pull/release guitar, if you have them set up well, they're stable. If you don't, it will be frustrating.
I had a Fingertip years back--sounded good, but didn't stay in tune so well...
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2020 4:08 pm
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Not on the subject of Permanents, but, the Miller I mentioned above had been loaned out to a friend for 7-8 years. He tried to play it some and never really got the bug. He then died and the guitar eventually made it back to me. It was set up with A and B pedals and E-lower. I removed the lower and added E-raise, eyballing the pulls to start with. Strings are the ones I put on it 7-8 years ago. I tuned it up, tuned the raises, tuned the open strings and with one adjustment, the knee lever throw-length, it plays in tune. Unreal. I cannot believe this guitar is still tuneable after all that time and in the hands of the crazy-person who had it.
I like the sound of the Fingertip, but have heard very little positive about tuning stability.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2020 7:29 am
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I had to edit my previous posting.
My 1st Sho~Bud was a Fingertip and that's the one that was hard to keep in tune.
It also liked to break that high 3rd string.
I was scheduled to play at a new church dedication and I kept breaking that 3rd string.
The only replacement string I could find was that 5th string for a banjo and that tied me over. 
Erv |
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