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b0b
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Posted 24 Jul 2020 1:19 pm |
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I'm thinking of tuning my 9th string to C# and raising to D on the lever that lowers the 2nd string (RKR). This would feel "right" to me because on C6th I also raise that string (A to Bb) on RKR.
I can't think of any disadvantages to doing this. Can you?
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Bud Angelotti
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Larryville, NJ, USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2020 1:49 pm
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Hey Bob - I used to do that all the time, without changing the 2nd string knee.
For songs with the "C6 feel" or basically playing the whole song with the E flat lever engaged, i'd just tune down the D. Swing tunes you know. Then just tune it back up.
Haven't done that in awhile though. Haven't done anything in awhile.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 24 Jul 2020 2:49 pm
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b0b, on my uni I effectively do it all the time.
I don't have a D string but with pedals down I raise C# to D on a lever and it feels perfectly natural.
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Tucker Jackson
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2020 6:04 pm Re: E9th string 9
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| b0b wrote: |
| I can't think of any disadvantages to doing this. Can you? |
I guess it comes down to how often you use the C# versus the D note in your playing.
I use the D all the time, and the C# on rare occasions... so tuning the 9th string to D is my preference. |
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 25 Jul 2020 7:05 am
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| It works a treat b0b, has many advantages, take time to explore and adjust, great for fat strum chords with NO loss. |
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Bengt Erlandsen
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Brekstad, NORWAY
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Posted 25 Jul 2020 10:27 am
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That would kinda depend on what you have on the RKL and if you use that in conjunction with the 9th string.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2020 11:36 am
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| Bengt Erlandsen wrote: |
That would kinda depend on what you have on the RKL and if you use that in conjunction with the 9th string.
B.Erlandsen |
I lower my E's on RKL. In that case, it would usually be better if the 9th string was C# anyway, for scale runs in common positions. I don't think I ever use the low D and D# together in my bag of licks.
Thanks for the thought. 
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Eddie Freeman
From:
Natchez Mississippi
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Posted 25 Jul 2020 2:29 pm D string
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| I don't have a D string Like a lot of others I moved my 10th B to the 9th place pulling to C# and putting a G# as my 10th pulling to A. I lower my 8th to a D with my LKL( I use the old ShoBud set up). I know I lose my root tone but the effect of the 9th dropping is well worth it. |
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Kristian Frostad
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Norway
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Posted 25 Jul 2020 3:16 pm
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One potential disadvantage it that the 10th string B to C# raise will trigger some sympathetic vibrations on the open 9th string C#.
May be a bothersome, but it is pretty quick to try it out before committing to it. |
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 26 Jul 2020 4:52 pm
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| You will have to tune the 9th down a notch to match the 10th pulled, i go in between....a notch up from the 10th pulled and a notch down from C# straight up, it's a sugared tuning. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Jul 2020 8:11 pm
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I set up the guitar today. I tuned the 9th string C# the same as the pedaled 10th string C#. That sounds right to me. Single 10, 4+4. I like it.
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John Goux
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California, USA
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Posted 26 Jul 2020 10:12 pm
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If you use the D string to play D chords, having to hold that lever in may be tiring, or just fine. One other solution is to lower Str 9 D on your lever with the Str 8 E lower. That way they lower together on the same lever when you are playing in the B position.
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Steve Leal
From:
Orange CA, USA
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Posted 26 Jul 2020 11:19 pm
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Hi Bob,
I recently added a change to lower 9 from D to C# on the same knee lever that lowers my Es. It feels fine and completes all my scales/notes in that position. Have you tried this before? |
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Joel Jackson
From:
Detroit
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Posted 27 Jul 2020 6:56 am
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| Personally, I wouldn't go without the 9th string D. There's way too much cool stuff to be done with it. And I can always lower it to C# with the 2/9 lower if i do want a C#. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2020 7:10 am
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I use the C# a lot for minor 7th chords (strings 9 8 6 5). I also use it as a D major 7th root with pedals down (strings 9 7 6 5). The RKR isn't hard to push when I need that D.
And of course the C# is handy with E's lowered. I used to have it on the leftmost pedal in addition to RKR, so that I could get those runs. Now I don't need it there. My P0 is pretty stiff already with 2 full step lowers, and I like having the 10th string drop.
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 27 Jul 2020 8:34 am
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| I also like the fact that you can do 3 string grips in order from 1-10 without having to skip strings. 10,9,and 8 are nice with that unision in there. Having the D on the raise is less work than having the C# on the lower, i use the D alot but having the C# on the lower means you have one knee tied up, which happens to be on the same knee as my E's lowered so there is conflict depending on your knee arrangement. |
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Andrew Frost
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Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 31 Jul 2020 10:41 am
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Having D on a lever is nice for chord resolution and sus4 ornaments Ive found.
The open C# also lends itself to open E6 sounds and so on. That thick unison on 9/10 can useful too.
These days I have B on string 9 and it raises to D on RKL.
No D string presently. Low E on 10.
The levered D can function like a regular 9th string D in most scenarios. I particularly like how it works with the A pedal in V7 - I type phrases.
The open C# vs D is akin to the 2nd string open D vs Eb preferece in ways. Boils down to what you would use more frequently, but as they say, "all roads lead to Rome" Γ°ΕΈΛβ° |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2020 2:24 pm
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| Andrew Frost wrote: |
| The open C# vs D is akin to the 2nd string open D vs Eb preferece in ways. Boils down to what you would use more frequently, but as they say, "all roads lead to Rome" Γ°ΕΈΛβ° |
I respectfully disagree. There's a clear advantage to D# vs. D on the 2nd string. If you analyze the 7 major chord/fret positions for a single key, you'll see that at 5 of them the 2nd string tuned to D# is a scale note. The remaining 2 positions (at the II and V frets) use the lever to lower the 2nd string for a scale note.
I played with 2nd string D for over a decade before I realized this. I only thought it was more useful. I was wrong. I suppose if you never use your F lever, it's more of a toss-up. The A+F major chord positions tip the scales in favor of the D# big time.
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Andrew Frost
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Posted 31 Jul 2020 9:27 pm
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I see what you're saying Bob.
I suppose if one played a whole lot of flat 7s and altered 9s all the time then the scale wouldn't tip so much in favour of the D#.
But for diatonic playing the D# does seem to be used more, I agree. |
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Brett Lanier
From:
Madison, TN
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Posted 31 Jul 2020 9:42 pm
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| Steve Leal wrote: |
I recently added a change to lower 9 from D to C# on the same knee lever that lowers my Es. It feels fine and completes all my scales/notes in that position. Have you tried this before? |
You'd miss out on a pretty cool change by doing that.
Strings 9,6,4 open - then B pedal and string 9 lower. It's a five to one change, with contrary motion and a common tone on top. |
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Brett Lanier
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Madison, TN
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Posted 31 Jul 2020 9:51 pm
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| b0b wrote: |
| The A+F major chord positions tip the scales in favor of the D# big time. |
I agree with everything you said, b0b. There is one chord in that position that I have to point out though.
Strings 8,6,5,2 w/ F lever makes a real nice diminished chord, and with the 2nd string tuned to D, all you have to do is grab it. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2020 10:39 pm
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| b0b wrote: |
| The A+F major chord positions tip the scales in favor of the D# big time. |
| Brett Lanier wrote: |
I agree with everything you said, b0b. There is one chord in that position that I have to point out though.
Strings 8,6,5,2 w/ F lever makes a real nice diminished chord, and with the 2nd string tuned to D, all you have to do is grab it. |
It's easy to use the F and D levers together. Most people put them on different knees. Mine are LKL and RKR.
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Mark McCornack
From:
California, USA
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Posted 1 Aug 2020 8:00 am
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That 9th string is a funny one! For years, the open D on that string was my nemesis. Like an inflamed appendix with which to avoid contact. Basically just in the way. Now itΓ’β¬β’s my best pal and I use it all the time.
I have a knee that drops it to C# whilst also dropping the 10th from B to A (and the traditional 2nd string D# drop to C# with D half stop). This 10th string drop tied in is also worth a try. Anyway, I tried playing a U12 neck with this low D missing and I couldnΓ’β¬β’t believe how lost I was without it.  |
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Brett Lanier
From:
Madison, TN
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Posted 1 Aug 2020 11:29 am
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| b0b wrote: |
| It's easy to use the F and D levers together. |
True that. My RKR is engaged more than it's not. I started ditching changes a while ago and finally ended up with this. I think if I did add something, it would be the string 9 lower. One thing that both of our setups have in common is that we both have the option of playing a high and low root at the same time when we use that low D as the chord root. I guess you can do the same thing with the usual feel stop setup, but you really have to make sure it's dialed in just right.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Aug 2020 5:19 pm
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I could never get a solid enough D on the second string with a feel stop, so I put the C# on a pedal. I don't use the C# much anyway. I like using it the E lowers (my RKL) for pentatonic blues licks.
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