Have Tabledit Demo.. Have a few Questions on Fonts

Kristen Bruno · From: Orlando, Florida, USA

I have downloaded the Tabledit demo and have configured it to my E9 PSG.

Playing around with it I have made a few bars of a simple harmonized scale to get familiar with the program. I have been able to "do a right click" (pitch change) to insert the pedal name next to the (fret numbers). I have pressed the play button and it correctly played what I have notated.

So far so good.
In the print preview area I was able to "enlarge" the "string number" fonts and the distance between the tab lines to keep them in proportion.

Questions:
Before trying to print out my masterpiece, I tried making some adjustments to the print preview area. This is my experience.

1) As mentioned, I was able to expand the distance between the tab lines for a larger font, and was able to enlarge the font of the fret numbers and add the pedal names (A,B,C etc) next to these numbers. But the pedal names next to the fret numbers are "microscopic" and I can't figure out how to enlarge them to be near the size of the fret numbers. Does anyone know how to do this?

2) Also, the Title, the string numbers (to the left of the tab lines), and also the numbers above each bar are also microscopic. I need to enlarge them as well.

3) Is it possible to print the tab directly on the tab lines line instead of between the tab lines?

4) Is there a midi instrument that you would recommend to play the tab gently to my ears instead of a hard hitting piano sound?

Hoping for some good advise,(and not that I need stronger reading glasses)

Thanks.
K
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Kristen Bruno · From: Orlando, Florida, USA

I exited program and came back to it and can't find the changes I made to my E9 copedent.

K
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Fred Treece · From: California, USA

I don’t have my program in front of me, but have used it sporadically over the last few years. So, off the top of my head:
#1- pretty sure there is a text font menu, different from the fret number one.
#2- the text font editor might solve this one too
#3- I remember looking for that option and coming up empty
#4- You could try the cello patch, as suggested in the documentation. It still sounds funky terrible to me, but it’s better than the piano sound.

PS-maybe there are certain things you can’t do with the trial version, like saving a file, saving changes to your copedent, or changing text fonts.

Peter Lindsley · From: United Kingdom

To display on the tab lines, go to "File"> "Options"> "General" Select in "Tablature Presentation" section -0-3-3

Best midi sound is Electric guitar (Jazz)

You may be loosing your copedent setup because you are using the demo version Question

I have no ideas about your other print display issues. Could it be something else in the "Options" Question

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John McClung · From: Olympia WA, USA

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Kristen Bruno · From: Orlando, Florida, USA

I have found my copedent. So i went ahead and put in some tab.
Also decided to get the full version so I don't have demo anymore.

I tried the "File"> "Options"> "General" and "Tablature Presentation" selection as -0-3-3"

It didn't work. Nothing changed.
The tab is still between the strings, not on the strings.

Just as a test, I made a new file for a 4 string bass. Put in a few tab notes on it. In this case the option worked fine, with tab either "on the strings" or between the strings".

So in the meantime I am working with what I got.

I responded to the maker of the program, and he responded saying
"I had understood that the display between the lines was a universally respected convention. That's why I made it mandatory, but it can be made just a default value."

I am going to respond telling him that some people like it between the tab lines and some (like me) prefer the tab directly on the strings.
I will see if he responds to this request.

Does anyone else prefer a tab "on the strings" or is it just me?

K
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Kristen Bruno · From: Orlando, Florida, USA

I noticed that the lap steel tab puts the tab notation directly on the strings (that's good!)

So in writing to the author of the program, in addition to putting the string number, the tab notation and the pedal label directly on the tab line, I mentioned a few other options that would be nice to have, at least for me.

Here is what I asked for.
It would be nice is to have the string numbers appear on both sides of the page for each tab line. It makes it easier to identify what strings the notation is on when playing tab located in the center of the page on a 10 string instrument. Its even more difficult when playing a 12 string pedal steel.

Another option I mentioned:
To be able to select one or two "key strings" (like 4 and 8 for example)and be able to make them a tiny bit thicker or bolder than the rest. In this way I would be able to know what strings the tab was being played on by referencing the contrast in the strings "thickness". This also would be good for many strings. ((I used to do this with an excel spreadsheet for handwriting my tabs.))

Maybe he can make some of these additional options available.

K
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Fred Treece · From: California, USA

I just checked my version, it's 2.78 a1a. The choice for placing tab numbers on the lines or in the spaces is there in the File/Options menu (-0-3- or _0_3_). Don't know why I never saw that before.

I prefer tab markings in the spaces, but with Tab|Edit there are only 10 lines for both choices, so if you choose spaces, string one doesn't have a lid on it. No biggie, having the markings on the lines is fine too. Its a good program.

Kristen Bruno · From: Orlando, Florida, USA

I have both options, but the "tab on the strings" option doesn't work.
It is version 2.78 b2e

I agree, its a good program
Anything that helps with the pedal steel is good!

K
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Fred Treece · From: California, USA

Maybe you could try one of those "remove program" tricks and reload it. Make sure to write down your key code.

John McClung · From: Olympia WA, USA

Fred Treece · From: California, USA

TabEdit is just like any other tab editor in the tedious time-suck learning-curve department. It just takes some practice and figuring out which 3 of the thousand tools it offers that you actually need to get a decent printable layout. I like that it automatically catches rhythm mistakes and stupid entries like fret number 52 or Pedal B on string 2.

John McClung · From: Olympia WA, USA

Fred Treece · From: California, USA

John, I use T|E strictly for my own purposes, so I don’t clutter things up too much with slur or pick hand markings. I enter the notes as tab with the numeric keypad and get rid of the music staff in the display. I use 8th notes as a default and then edit each measure as I go along for rhythmic accuracy and adding changer markings. I only use playback to make sure the notes are right, not for sound quality or expression marking accuracy.

The downloadable manual is VERY thorough, and that’s where you will find PSG-specific instructions. There are also some excellent tutorials on the Tab|Edit website that you could spend a lifetime on if you were into serious Guitar Tab publishing. If you just want to do basic stuff for your PSG students, I would spend an afternoon going through the first 4 “Larry’s Tutorials”, and then decide how deep you want to dive in as far as the rest of the list goes. You would probably want to spend some time on the printing options one, especially if you wanted to publish online pdf’s.

Hope that answers your question.

John McClung · From: Olympia WA, USA

Great tips, Fred, appreciate it. I'll have to set aside an afternoon and give it another whirl. Sounds like you start with a rough draft on paper? Then input into T|E?
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Fred Treece · From: California, USA

The reason I got TE was to put an end to chicken scratching things out on paper. I used Power Tab before TE, so I wasn’t really a tab program noob.

Kristen Bruno · From: Orlando, Florida, USA

I asked this to the author of the program in a related post. But thought you might know the answer.
I can change the copedent of the PSG, notate it and get it to play properly, but I cannot save the new copedent.
Its weird because if I save the file with this "changed" copedent, and open it later, it will still play correctly, but the copedent reverts back to the original and cannot be edited. Same goes for changing a six string lap to a 8 string lap. The file is saved, but upon reopening it STILL has 8 strings in the tab, BUT it cannot be edited. And if were to try and make a new tab with the 8 string I created .... it doesn't exist.
Bottom Line: I cannot get it to save new user created copedents.

K
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Fred Treece · From: California, USA

There are a couple very similar ways to create and save your instruments. The most convenient is to open a new file, configure and add as many named “modules” as you want, and then save the tef file as a named template. That way, when you open your template file you can choose whichever instrument you created and then do your tab. There will be little tiny boxes in the upper right corner of your file window where you can choose your instrument module.

The other way is to save a separate tef file as a template for each instrument you want to create tab for.

Look up “module” in the Help file and follow the instructions if you need to, but it seems like you already know what you’re doing with configuring instruments. Hope this helps on how to save them.

Matthieu Leschemelle · From: Saint Germain en Laye, France

Hi,

I confirm that the copedent is only saved with the file.

It is not saved in the user preferences.

So you have actually to create empty files that serve as a template.

I could create an Import/Export button that would allow to create a text document with a nice schema and the information in a standardized format.

This document could be re-imported.

I can't remember if there is an agreed way to note the copedents.

What do you think about it?

Matthieu

Kristen Bruno · From: Orlando, Florida, USA

Fred, Matthieu ,

I saved the file as before and reopened it "as a template".
Before I mentioned that I was not able to edit the file.
MY MISTAKE.
I forgot how to enter the tab correctly.

I went back this morning, and did it right.
All is well.

So saving the new copedent as a template is a workaround. And appears to work okay.
I am happy now. When the option to have the tab either "between the strings" OR "on the strings" come, I will be even more happy.
But for now, I am happy .... (mmmmm. unless I start thinking about the cheezy midi sounds ...)

In any even you can count on me to complain about other things if I find them, but, now, I am happy.

K Very Happy

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Fred Treece · From: California, USA

Awesome, Kristen. Glad you are on your way.
Like I said, there are about a thousand features in TE that I will never use and seem to just get in the way, but .....

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Kristen Bruno · From: Orlando, Florida, USA

John,

The sheets you made were similar to ones i used to make in excel years ago with extremely light shading for the two E stings 4 and 8. I think if Tabledit could do that, or something else to help visually identify certain strings would make learning tab easier where there are a lot of strings.

I am using it primarily to "make my own steel guitar notes" because writing it down helps me remember it better. But if you do a different templates with your copedent(s) it is pretty cool (except for the cheezy midi sounds).
In the first picture I made my copedent (the RH is the RKR moved halfway split, and RR is RKR moved all the way.
After saving this copedent as a file, I can reopen this file as a template. Entering notes as usual and right clicking on a note to pull up the specific copedent menu which was saved for this "template" file. (second pic- here i am highlighting the 15th fret and right clicking pitch change to pull up the menu to get the RH split). What is also ultra handy for me, is when i position the thin blue curser line over the notes , the note names show up on the fretboard underneath (see light blue line in pic 2). This helps me to make sure the notes are correct. - K

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