C6th on E9th

Jeremy Steele · From: Princeton, NJ USA

I'm looking for some CDs which feature C6th type stuff played on the E9th neck...can any of you folks make some suggestions? Thanks....DOH!...the topic should read "C6th on E9th", not the way I posted it.

[This message was edited by Jeremy Steele on 05 September 2006 at 08:19 AM.]

Jim Cohen · From: Philadelphia, PA

You definitely need to check out Randy Beavers' CDs. He is Da Man on this stuff. Start with "A Few of My Favorite Things" or "Still a Way Without Words"

Mike Shefrin · Posted 5 Sep 2006 7:45 am

Unfortunately at this time "Still a Way Without Words" is not available from b0b, but you can get it at Randy Beaver's website I'm sure.
and Jim, I am finally going to order "Four to the Bar" from b0b today.

[This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 05 September 2006 at 09:56 PM.]

Jim Cohen · From: Philadelphia, PA

Better late than never, Mike.

Thanks.

john widgren · From: Wilton CT

Good advice from Jimbeaux...Randy Beavers, great music and a real lesson in how masterful E9 can break the "tuning barrier". Sincerely, JW

Joey Ace · From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

Don E. Curtis has an excellent instruction course with this title.

Available from Scottys Music.

I'll use my SYSOP powers to correct your title.

Bill Mayville · From: Las Vegas Nevada * R.I.P.

Fred Justice plays the E-9th neck like no-one I have ever heard.You would swear it is the C-6th neck.I think he has a Cd out also.

Bill Mayville

Gene Jones · From: Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)

E9 to C6 has been overdone. What is needed is some E9 played on C6! Some volunteers?

[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 05 September 2006 at 09:26 AM.]

Bob Belcher · From: Oklahoma, USA

Would love to learn C6th from you Gene, right now it's my favorite arm rest. So I figure between a lesson from you brother Gene and Jim Harper I might be able to tune it. Thanks Gene

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

It's a lot easier to make C6th sound like E9th if you have a high D and a high G string.

P4 works like the A pedal and P5 works like a reverse B pedal. Use P5 for the root chord (like no pedals on E9th) and P4 for the "pedals down" position. E is at the second fret instead of at the nut.

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Duane Reese · Posted 5 Sep 2006 1:19 pm

Here's been my recent experience with the subject...

You can get all kinds of changes on E9th that are C6th basics, and by far the best way to make it happen is to use four picks (put a pick on your ring finger as well). See the thing is that the chords can be found on a standard E9th setup, but the are dispersed around and this makes it so you can't very easily do a rake like what you do on a C6th neck, so you have to learn some tricky grips, but you'll get the hang of them in no time at all.

The main thing that you use to get the 6th tuning is you lever that lowers you E's a half step. This'll give you that chord across all strings but the 9th. Avoid the 9th string. Most of these C6 basics happen on strings 4 through 10.

To get much of what the 6 pedal on the C6 gives you, hit the 9th string instead of the 8th, and you can let off your E lowering lever to give you the halfstep raise of the 2nd string on the C6 neck while you do this.

For what the 5 pedal on the C6 does, it's a matter of avoiding the 9th string again, and having the E lower, and pedals A and B all engaged. The chord is also located 2 frets above where it would be on the C6 neck. It's suprising how many of the same movements for the 5 pedal work out this way.

For the diminished chord that you get with pedals 5 and 6 together on the C6, let off you E lower and hit your E raise lever, and avoid string 7. For the chord that happens on strings 2 through 5 with pedals 5 and 6 on C6 (has the major 7th and is usually used on a V chord wrapping up) use the E raise, the A pedal and play strings 5, 6, 8, and 9, 3 frets up from where it would be on C6.

On my lever that lowers my 2nd string a halfstep on the E9, I also have a pull that lowers my 9th string a halfstep. This can get you what pedal 7 on C6 does just by itself with strings 5, 6, 8 and 9, and you have to play it with no other levers or pedals and 2 frets up from where it is on C6, but you can't really bounce it like you can the 7 pedal, but it is there.

Just the B pedal by itself (no E lowers or anything) and avoiding string 7 and 3 frets down will get you a lower voicing of the open 6th chord on the C6, clear down to string 8 on the C6 if you need a chord with the 6th on the bottom like that. Avoid string 4 as well.

If you have a lever that lowers your B's a halfstep (usually LKV) you can get what the most common C6 lever does, lowering the 3rd string a halfstep...

If you had a zero pedal that raised your 6th string a fullstep, you could use that like a 4 pedal on C6, and get the 7 pedal function from C6 when you use the zero with the A pedal, and you'd even be able to hit the 9th string and make the 6 and 7 pedal thing on C6 happen on the same fret to boot! Forget the 8 pedal if you have a 10-stringer

See how you need four picks to do this?

Try these out and see what you think. Good luck!

P.S. I need to make a clarification: when I say that something is so many frets up or down from where it is on the C6, what I mean (usually... I think...) is relative to the open 6th chord, not the fret numbers themselves. So if the open chord you want to hit is at say, the 10th on the C6 and no pedals or levers, then it's at the 11th fret with the E lower on the E9, and that's where you'd reference from.

[This message was edited by Duane Reese on 05 September 2006 at 03:12 PM.]

Archie Nicol R.I.P. · From: Ayrshire, Scotland

Herb Steiner's courses are an excellent place to start.

Duane Reese · Posted 5 Sep 2006 2:17 pm

By the way: shouldn't this be moved to "Pedal Steel"?

Matthew Prouty · From: Warsaw, Poland

I picked up Herb Steiner's Swinging on E9th Vol 1 and 2, plus the extended tracks and these are great resources. All those pick grips that get those great sounding chords are in there. You have tons of great bluesy sounding licks in there to get you off on the right track.

I highly recommend them. Well worth the money.

M.

Ernie Renn · From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA

Buddy's E9 intro and turnaround from Houston. Sounds like C6, but it's all E9.

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Bob Hoffnar · From: Austin, Tx

Gene,

Tony Dingus · From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA

BE's Expo E9 has some great C6 on E9 playing and I'll second Randy Beavers A Few of My Favorite Things cd.

Tony

George Redmon · From: Muskegon & Detroit Michigan.

Our friend Bobby Lee is 100% correct, nice post b0b. I have been getting e9th licks on C6th fer years. I have a high D,B and G on my whitney. And thanks Bob Hoffnar, that is a fun way to play together again. Mine is real real close to that. It is fun to play things a little differently once in awhile. I agree it makes for a little spice. I play the song "Everytime you touch me i get high" on C6th, had a week~end warrior at a jam tell me i wasn't playing c6th..i guess he must of thought i had some secret tuning or something..beats me...plain ole C6th with a few extra changes,,nothing secret 'bout it.

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Jerry Roller · From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA

Randy's E9th sounds like some complex C6th. I think he rarely plays the root chord where it actually is ie G being 3rd fret and so on. He moves up the neck two frets or back down the neck three frets so he might be playing a form of G on the fifth fret or open of course with the proper pedals engaged to pull it off. He is a great E9th deep thinker as is Fred Justice.
Jerry

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Tracy Sheehan · From: Fort Worth, Texas, USA

I posted this before i believe but will again.Remember how werid it was at first having the top strings on the 9th tuning tuned lower than the 2nd and 3rd? But you got used to it.
Well,on the E9th tuning reverse your 9th and 10th strings and change the rod to pull the 9th string.You can then strum,rake or what ever you call it with out having to skip the 9th string.Makes for fat C6th chords holding the A and B pedals down while lowering the 4th and 8th down with your knee lever.As for my self i tune to D 9th and by lowering the 4th and 8th strings gives an A 6th.Makes for some neat close grips also.
Doesn't take long to get used to it and no big deal to change it back if you don"t like it.And i have a SD 10.
BTW.I do play a little weird at times but what the heck? Bobbe Seymour even suggests trying some new things.But i have used this set up for years now.And the fun part is when the band leader says get off the C neck when you don't even have it.But i have to admit it isn't so funny when he asks how long you have been with the band not countng tomorrow night.

Also can use heavier guage strings for better tone.

Gene Jones · From: Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)

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