| Author |
Topic: PP on eBay |
Cartwright Thompson
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 2:34 am |
|
I saw this, and not knowing much about push pulls was wondering about a few things. http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Emmons-Ste el-Guitar...
What kind of pickups are those?
What about the switches?
What year is it?
I'm not looking to buy it. It just looked a little odd and made me curious. [This message was edited by b0b on 22 August 2006 at 09:18 AM.] |
|
|
 |
Mike Shefrin
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 4:34 am
|
|
Don't know about the pickups or the toggle switches. The price seems low for a double neck Emmons and makes me wonder,
although it looks to be in decent condition.
One would have to see and play it ultimately to really know I suppose.[This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 22 August 2006 at 05:08 PM.] |
|
|
|
Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 4:46 am
|
|
| I can only see one picture, but it has the older-style cast pedals, so I'll guess early '70s. Can't really tell for sure, but that looks like George-L pickups, and the switches/knobs are probably all standard Emmons stuff. |
|
|
|
Bruce Hamilton
From:
Vancouver BC Canada
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 5:15 am
|
|
Get your check books out- this a wrap around!!!
Probably one of the most sought after guitars in the world. |
|
|
|
Mike Shefrin
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 6:18 am
|
|
You're probably right Donny. I didn't notice those older cast pedals. 
[This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 22 August 2006 at 05:08 PM.] |
|
|
|
Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 6:31 am
|
|
| I saw the guitar also and was wandering what the controls were on each neck. Looks like maybe volume and tone controls for each neck. This is a very rare and different looking guitar. |
|
|
|
Mike Vallandigham
From:
Martinez, CA
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 6:58 am
|
|
That thing is beat up, molested and bastardized. looks like some Sho-Bud knee levers, a few extra springs (looks familiar) and the red velvet (puke) and the center control removed and covered up w/ a plate.
I seem to remember a really early emmons that had the controls like that on the neck...
Maybe it's wraparound necks put onto a regular body, then set up by a baboon?
nice color though.
Thenk again, I could be totally off base. [This message was edited by Mike Vallandigham on 22 August 2006 at 08:00 AM.] |
|
|
|
Daniel J. Cormier
From:
Lake Charles, LA, USA
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 7:10 am
|
|
If we had a serial number we could possibly pin point the year model. Knee levers are not rightfor any year Push Pull I've ever seen. Let's send these Pictures to Bobbe Seymore and see what the Guru of Emmons Poo Poo says
------------------
Daniel J. Cormier
Mullen D-10 .
EVans FET 500 LV ,ProFex II
http://www.cajunsteelguitar.com email at djcormier@cox-internet.com 
|
|
|
|
Mike Vallandigham
From:
Martinez, CA
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 7:13 am
|
|
1164010W
that's the serial stamped on it... looks weird... dosent look like the format of my PP.. bobbe will know, he's da man. I'm sure he'll see this soon. |
|
|
|
Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 7:37 am
|
|
Yes, now that I can see all the pictures, it is indeed a "wrap". Worth a lot of money if someone hadn't smootched it all up by moving the switches and controls. 
(I'm pretty sure Bobbe knows about this one. Don't let the low bids so far fool you, it will wind up going for a few grand!) |
|
|
|
Tore Blestrud
From:
Oslo, Norway
|
|
|
|
Duane Reese
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 8:39 am
|
|
Any way you look at it, this guitar will go for a lot I'm sure. We could use Bobbe's input on this though.
Bobbe, where are you buddy?! |
|
|
|
Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 9:30 am
|
|
Would that serial number indicate that it was built in November 1964?
I see that it is a "red belly" but it seems to me that it is a little light in the hardware dept. I believe there are some rods missing on the bottom side.
Why would anyone take the controls off the control panel and mount them in the neck? I think that I'd be a little scared of this one!  |
|
|
|
Mike Shefrin
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 9:39 am
|
|
| So would I. Definitely suspicious. |
|
|
|
John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 9:57 am
|
|
Herb Steiner will probably correct me on the mistakes I might make here. (and should) This is not meant as verification as I only could see 1 picture. Just some food for thought.
I beleive these all came with decal logos and this appears to have been replaced by an emblem
The neck controls could be indicative of this guitar originally being an Emmons Stereo guitar. (Check out pictures of #1 that were posted by Bob Knight)
The serial number indicates that it would be #10 from November of 1964
These guitars had no knee levers and consequently some owners "did their thing" when adding them.
Here is an after undercarraige shot of s/n 764005 which is in my possesion.
 [This message was edited by John Fabian on 22 August 2006 at 11:05 AM.] |
|
|
|
TRAP TRULY
From:
Mobile , AL
|
|
|
|
Mike Vallandigham
From:
Martinez, CA
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 12:14 pm
|
|
| Is the red flocking standarn or really early Emmons'? |
|
|
|
Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 12:21 pm
|
|
| I believe so, they called them "red belly". |
|
|
|
Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 12:25 pm
|
|
Sad to see this guitar in this shape. 
The serial number (W at end) indicates that this is was originally a wood neck guitar, assembled in November of 1964, also evidenced by the missing control panel in between the necks, now covered by a plate.
It was the 10th guitar serialized by the Emmons company.
Sometime in its history, the woodnecks were replaced with Emmons wraparound necks for a stereo guitar. The pickups are original Emmons with the diagonal pole pieces. Very early, I've only owned one guitar with pickups like that.
The controls in the necks were tone, volume, and neck selectors controls for a stereo guitar, though I doubt it's a stereo now. Could be, though.
It looks very similar to 1164007W and 1164008W, both of which I owned at one time and are both wood neck guitars. I still own 1164008W. This guitar has the crossbars with the shorter actuator arms, like #008W.
It probably went back to Emmons in the early 70's and had the chevron decal replaced with a logo plaque, another mistake, IMHO.
I agree that the guitar is heavily botched and probably would be time-consuming and expensive to bring back to any type of showroom condition.
An yes, there's a Sho-Bud knee lever on there. I don't know who's spinning faster in his grave, Shot Jackson or Ron Lashley.
------------------
Herb's Steel Guitar Pages
Texas Steel Guitar Association
[This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 22 August 2006 at 02:01 PM.] |
|
|
|
Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 12:41 pm
|
|
Herb
And that is the first Emmons changer with the half inch axle rather than 9/16ths; the cast fingers rather than stampled aluminum; and with only one leverage hole rather than three, right? I would like to have that changer on my parts shelf.
Chris
------------------
Chris Lucker
Red Belly, another Red Belly, Bob Tucker and Vance Terry
[This message was edited by Chris Lucker on 22 August 2006 at 01:44 PM.] |
|
|
|
Bruce Hamilton
From:
Vancouver BC Canada
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 6:26 pm
|
|
| If that is the case with the changer then all the E9 pedals would have very long non adjustable pedal travel. You probably could not even put a c pedal on. There isn't one on it now. I suppose you could drill the extra holes but that would mean taking off the necks and removing the changer. With all the knees currently being home made a minimal renovation would involve buying new kits and installing them along with all the extra brackets and crossrods. Yikes!!! That is scary. |
|
|
|
Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
|
|
|
|
Jay Ganz
From:
Out Behind The Barn
|
Posted 22 Aug 2006 6:47 pm
|
|
I can tell the P/P tech who worked on this.
I recognize his work anywhere!
His name is Rube Goldberg. |
|
|
|
Tom Quinn
|
Posted 23 Aug 2006 5:29 pm
|
|
| Bet it sounds like a million bucks! |
|
|
|
Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
|
Posted 28 Aug 2006 9:18 am
|
|
| $3400 dollars?? Wrap arounds are that pricy? |
|
|
|
