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Topic: 3rd string on a 25" scale |
Doc Hall
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Galveston, Tx
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Posted 3 Aug 2019 8:35 am |
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I've got a 25" scale Lamar S-10 with the straight line changer. It has become a mystery as of late. When first acquired, I was able to change the 3rd string on two occasions without a problem. Now, I've gone through many strings of various manufacture...both 11's and 12's and nothing stays long before breaking. Almost all break upon reaching pitch, usually before pedaling to A. I have tried the incremental nudging, pedaling, and waiting but nothing seems to help. I've done some light sanding in a couple of areas that seems a bit rough with no change resulting. The strings usually break at the changer end, about an inch before the wrap on the ball end of the string.
Suggestions would be much appreciated. |
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Ross Shafer
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Petaluma, California
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Doc Hall
From:
Galveston, Tx
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Posted 3 Aug 2019 11:30 am
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| I saw that post and gave it a shot a couple of weeks ago. It just continued to break strings at the point of the pin installation. I wasn’t expecting that! Ross, I’m wondering if this is the same guitar from your original post? |
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Ross Shafer
From:
Petaluma, California
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Posted 3 Aug 2019 6:51 pm
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Well dang...and here I thought I was so clever. Without pics I've no idea if this is the same guitar I had and modded. I sold it a number of years back to a gent in Oregon. Am I correct in gathering from your last post, that your guitar came with that pin installed?
100% of the string breakage problems I had on mine were at the tuner and always during installation...I missed that yours were at the other end somehow. I did the pin mod for another forumite so it may also be his guitar you have.
I installed the pin did a few string installs, played it more and had no breakage. I thought I had it licked...guess not. Good luck! |
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Rich Gibson
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Pittsburgh Pa.
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Posted 3 Aug 2019 7:59 pm
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Just to avoid any confusion I have Ross’s old guitar and it holds a 0.12 no problem
So his fix is effective
I would add that while it is a beautiful guitar I could could never get the pedal action to where I found it comfortable.The knee levers played great but the pedals where too stiff and the travel too long for me.Perhaps someone with more set up skills could make it play better....I spent a lot of time on it and gave up.I tried tuning it down to D9 for a while and it was OK that way.
I ended up converting it to C6 with pedal 7 on a knee and it plays great in that configuration.
anyway that’s my experience.My opinion/experience -Some great ideas but
I think the 25” scale with that changer still needed some refinement.. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Ross Shafer
From:
Petaluma, California
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Posted 4 Aug 2019 6:36 am
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| Thanks for posting Rich, glad to hear that the pin fix did work for your guitar. Guess my memory of selling to someone in Oregon is wrong though....this geezerhood memory thing sucks! |
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Sonny Jenkins
From:
Texas Masonic Retirement Center,,,Arlington Tx
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Posted 4 Aug 2019 8:31 am
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| Ross Shafer wrote: |
| Thanks for posting Rich, glad to hear that the pin fix did work for your guitar. Guess my memory of selling to someone in Oregon is wrong though....this geezerhood memory thing sucks! |
I can identify with the memory thing,,,I even bought some "memory foam" insoles for my shoes,,,went to the grocery store and still forgot half of what I went after!!!!! The memory foam doesn't help a bit!!! I think I've outlived my warranty??? |
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Doc Hall
From:
Galveston, Tx
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Posted 4 Aug 2019 10:32 am
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| Ross, I meant to refer to the guitar that your post was addressing. At some point, forumite LM English acquired the guitar and worked on it. I corresponded with him and he did not have these issues. It’s a great guitar, in general. I just need to beat this 3rd string problem. |
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Ross Shafer
From:
Petaluma, California
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Posted 4 Aug 2019 1:59 pm
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| Doc Hall wrote: |
| Ross, I meant to refer to the guitar that your post was addressing. At some point, forumite LM English acquired the guitar and worked on it. I corresponded with him and he did not have these issues. It’s a great guitar, in general. I just need to beat this 3rd string problem. |
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Rich Gibson
From:
Pittsburgh Pa.
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Posted 4 Aug 2019 2:45 pm
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Actually Ross I did buy the the guitar from someone in Oregon(i think🤓)so your not ready for the memory unit yet.He included the original bill of sale made out to you.
I also talked with Lamar about the guitar and he didn’t have any suggestions for me either.
We had a great conversation though.Really nice guy who had just had triple bypass surgery so him talking to me at all was a mitzvah( act of generosity and kindness)
The cabinet is truly a work of art and the machine work excellent.
I’m curious if you where able to get it to play satisfactorily in standard E9? |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 5 Aug 2019 7:47 am
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When Buddy Emmons was coming up with the design for the Emmons, he experimented with different scale lengths.
He determined that 24 1/4" was about the maximum without experiencing excessive string breakage.
A keyless guitar is different, on these you can extend the scale length without problem as you're not dealing with the extra string length beyond the nut.
Erv |
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Ross Shafer
From:
Petaluma, California
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Posted 5 Aug 2019 8:25 am
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| Rich Gibson wrote: |
I’m curious if you where able to get it to play satisfactorily in standard E9? |
Sorry to hear about Lamar's bypass, I hope his recovery goes smoothly. He is one sweet human and was an absolute pleasure to deal with when he built me a steel.
Yes Rich, even with the added friction of the linear changer design I found the Lamar to be a nice guitar all around. I used a hole on the pedals closer to the pedal bar to help lighten the feel of the pulls, of course that increased the travel, but not so much as to bother me. Of course....not being much of a player myself....that may not mean much. |
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Rich Gibson
From:
Pittsburgh Pa.
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Posted 5 Aug 2019 10:17 am
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Thanks Ross I’m glad to hear it’s not the guitar.
just some lack of set up skill on my part.
I’ve successfully set up 5 or 6 different brands but this one evaded me.I will try your suggestion on the pedal holes and experiment some more when I get the time. |
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Proceed.