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Topic: Switching a Carter S12U from Emmons to Day |
Thomas Sabatini
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 28 Jul 2019 6:40 am |
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Hi all. I'm new to the world of PSG having just purchased a 12 string universal setup with Johnny Cox's D13 copedent. As is par for the course, I'm working on my grips, chords, and scales and the instrument is slowly coming into focus. It's a blast.
I'm committed to playing this copedent for at least a year before futzing around with it, but I'm pretty sure I want to convert the first three pedals to from Emmons Day and flip left knees. It would put my foot closer to the E/F levers and 6th pedals, allow me to sit more comfortably, and alleviate the accumulating ankle strain that I'm experiencing.
Does the collective experience here think that a newbie could do this work on a Carter? Are there resources available to guide me through?
Thanks in advance for any thought you all might share! |
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 28 Jul 2019 4:10 pm
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Carters are easy to change copedents.
To switch the A and C pedals you only need to move 2 rods. Remove the nylon tuner nuts on the string 9 rod on the A pedal, and the string 4 rod on the C pedal, and temporarily remove those two rods. Take some pics or make careful note of which hole in the changer and which slot on the bell crank each rod came from. Keep track of the little "dog bone" connectors in the bell cranks, they're easy to lose.
Relocate the string 9 bell crank on the A pedal cross shaft to the string 5 position and vice versa on the C pedal. Install the two rods you removed in the opposite locations they came from using the holes that correspond to the string and pull.
Reversing the knees is a similar process, assuming the E raise and lower are on the left knees. You'll have to remove all four rods but you don't have to move any bell cranks, just move the LKL rods from the raise holes in the changer to the lower holes were used on LKR, and vice versa.
It just takes a little time and patience, nothing too complicated. Make sure the bell cranks are aligned correctly with the changer so there is no unnecessary rubbing or binding. For any pulls that have the rod in the #1 bell crank slot closest to the cross shaft it might take a little extra finagling as the rods tend to fit pretty tight against the base of the bell crank. Other than that it's all fairly intuitive.
There is some additional info and a rodding chart for that guitar here: http://steelguitar.com/rodding.html
Good luck! |
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Thomas Sabatini
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 28 Jul 2019 6:25 pm
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Ian, thanks for the detailed explanation. It's deeply appreciated and well beyond the attaboy encouragement I was hoping for.
I'm fully supplied with a catalog of colorful language. Now I just need I to gather the tools, time, and courage,
And maybe an adult soda. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 29 Jul 2019 6:18 am
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Ian said:
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| It just takes a little time and patience, nothing too complicated. Make sure the bell cranks are aligned correctly with the changer so there is no unnecessary rubbing or binding. For any pulls that have the rod in the #1 bell crank slot closest to the cross shaft it might take a little extra finagling as the rods tend to fit pretty tight against the base of the bell crank. Other than that it's all fairly intuitive. |
Sometimes, I was unable to get the rod in that bellcrank hole closest to the cross shaft. Removing the screw that holds the bellcrank to the cross shaft was the only way for me. BUT BE CAREFUL. That screw is a T10 Torx head. They are sometimes really, really tight, and both the screw and the torx screwdriver strip REALLY REALLY easily. I still have a couple of bellcranks in there that I couldn't get the screws out because they stripped.
Sometimes you have to remove other rods that prevent you from just moving a bellcrank. It can get real tight in there. The one thing I have learned in the years of working on my Carter, remove any and all rods that are in the way of moving stuff, or to get your hands in there. I've tried the trying to hold rods out of the way, and get tools in between rods, and it just frustrates the hell out of you, and at times even drew blood. If you place the guitar top down on a towel, you can just loosen the nylon tuner enough to get the hook unhooked from the bell crank, and slide the rod towards the changer to get it out of your way. Don't remove the nylon tuner. That way you know what hole in the changer it went through. But, also write down (and take pics) to be sure.
Good Luck.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Thomas Sabatini
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 29 Jul 2019 10:00 am
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| Thanks for the cautionary tips, Richard. You guys are great. |
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