bobbie seymor on e9th tuning

Paul Wade · From: mundelein,ill

bobbie explains his setup E9th on his guitar. he says
he raises the 1st string a hole tone and the 7th
a hole tone??? does anybody raise there 7th a hole tone?? i was thinking about doing that change. any one else...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DgJcET0me4&t=272s

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John Swain · From: Winchester, Va

Buch Reid and Paul Franklin both raise 1+7 a whole step. I do too!

Jerry Overstreet · From: Louisville Ky

Yes, I normally raise the 7th string a whole tone. Among other things, it gives a very pretty maj7th with pedals down. I put it on the same lever as lowering 9 an 2, but you can't use all those strings together.

The nice thing about having them on the same lever though, is if you rod it right, you also get a half tone feel notch on the 7th string.

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

I raise 1,2 and 7 on the same 'knee`. I infinitely prefer raising 7 a whole step to lowering the 6th.

Mine is on the vertical and raising it just a half-step to get the 7th note (with pedals down) is easy.

Like Jerry, I enjoy the maj 7th I get by raising the 7th a whole-step with pedals down.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Greg Cutshaw · From: Corry, PA, USA

Like many who have tried it, I like the raise 1,2 and 7 on the same knee.

Here's a tab and sound file that shows some of what Bobbe does in that YouTube video:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab657.pdf

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab657.mp3

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

Greg -

How much use do you get out of raising the 8th string on your C pedal? Is it ever a hindrance? Same question, really, regarding your lowering of the 10th along with the 2 and 9 lower on your RKR. (I have the B to A lower on my RKL which also lowers my 5th to Bb.)

I'm intrigued by your splitting of the 'Franklin pedal' (on strings 5 and 6) to pedals four and five. Great idea!
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Dale Rottacker · From: Walla Walla Washington, USA

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

Thanks, Dale.

I find I'm storing up a number of these ideas for when I can next get to a good tech who can put the changes on for me.

Greg's idea for splitting the 5th and 6th lower, though, is a no-brainer if you're playing a D-10! The pedals are sitting there waiting to be pressed into double-duty on both necks. I just wish I'd been smart enough to think of it! ðŸ¤”
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Dale Rottacker · From: Walla Walla Washington, USA

Greg Cutshaw · From: Corry, PA, USA

There's a lot more riffs you can play with the 5th and 6th strings split on different pedals. However you lose the super fast piano type movements that are easily played with both changes on a floor pedal. It's a lot like moving the E9th 3rd pedal to a knee lever or at least the 4th string whole tone raise part of it. You just can't play the faster changes that way. Check out the fast movement at 0:10 that Mike Johnson does backing up Rhonda Vincent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AIMWLB0VlA

The 10 string whole tone lower does lots of things but I end up using it only for a drone note. Much more useful to have an 11 or 12 string tuning with a low E string.

Everything's a trade off. We are all more limited more by our ability and level of proficiency than our copedant.

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