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Topic: Emmons Push-Pull noise |
Stephane Morency
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Posted 12 Jun 2019 1:43 pm |
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Hi Emmons Lovers,
while playing on my delicious new(old) Emmons S10 PP, I noticed that I'm hearing the sound of the pedal when I press them harder (like on quick changes), the mechanical sound is transmitted to the pup and amplified.
it makes me curious about two things:
1) Should I try to tame the noise or should I adapt my playing style (I'm in the process of adapting but if there is a way to lower it, I'd love to know)
2) What are you guys considering an acceptable mechanical noise from a push-pull steel ?
Thanks !
Stephan |
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Jack Goodson
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new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 12 Jun 2019 1:56 pm sound?
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| you could have a microphonic pickup. try pushing the volume pedal all the way open. hold your hand on the strings, and try to talk thru the pickup, if you voice comes thru pretty loud then you need to change the pickup, or have it re-wound....thanks jack |
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Stephane Morency
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 12 Jun 2019 6:21 pm
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Thanks Jack, I will test it tomorrow.
Stephan |
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Paul Sutherland
From:
Placerville, California
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Posted 12 Jun 2019 6:45 pm
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You should hear the pedals click as they hit the pedal stop bar, but that clicking should not be coming through the pickup into the amp. My PP has never done that so I haven't tried to remedy your situation, and can offer nothing more.
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Stephane Morency
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 13 Jun 2019 3:13 am
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Thanks Paul,
that's what I red most everywhere, Push Pull mechanics doesn't get amplified.
Stephan |
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 13 Jun 2019 7:37 am
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| The pickups on both of my Emmons student models are somewhat microphonic, and both instruments sound just wonderful. I would not even consider changing the pickup on either of them. The original Emmons pickups are an integral component of the magic of a push/pull, IMO. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 13 Jun 2019 9:55 am
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I find that all guitars have some pedal noise if you floor the volume pedal and tap the pedals. That's normal, but one way to reduce the effect is to pick with more authority. That increases the signal to noise-floor ratio.
Now, to make sure it's a microphonic pickup, you need to remove the strings and see if the noise is still there. If you get no body or mechanical noise with the strings removed, then a new or different pickup won't help. |
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 13 Jun 2019 9:59 am
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| That little click you here is a sign your push pull is set up good. That’s one of the pleasures of the push pull. |
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Stephane Morency
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Quebec, Canada
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Posted 13 Jun 2019 4:02 pm
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Jack, I'm with you on it, it is more of somewhat microphonic than microphonic and it makes it really comes alive as it's like touch sensitive. It wasn't in my mind to replacement the pickup.
Donny, that is part of the playing adaptation that I'm doing: "picking".
Johnie, the sound I'm hearing as more TOC than click. It really comes from the pedals stopping.
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Jack Goodson
From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 13 Jun 2019 4:12 pm rewind?
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| i don,t know if jerry wallace is still winding pickups, but if he is have him wind the existing pickup to emmons specs. if not find a trueton that is wound to about 1800....thanks jack |
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Al Evans
From:
Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 14 Jun 2019 5:02 am
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Isn't a microphonic pickup more likely due to a defect in the potting than in the winding? If so, re-potting a pickup is much easier than rewinding it.
--Al Evans
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 14 Jun 2019 4:49 pm
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| Al, most pickups weren't originally "potted". Potting was just an easy fix when the windings came loose over time. Actually, potting (done properly) requires a vacuum pump to be sure all the air is removed, and all the spaces between the windings are filled with wax. Most who do this just immerse the pickup in hot paraffin, and leave it sit for awhile. That will work in most cases, but it's certainly not the ideal method of repair. |
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Al Evans
From:
Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2019 5:18 am
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
| Al, most pickups weren't originally "potted". Potting was just an easy fix when the windings came loose over time. Actually, potting (done properly) requires a vacuum pump to be sure all the air is removed, and all the spaces between the windings are filled with wax. Most who do this just immerse the pickup in hot paraffin, and leave it sit for awhile. That will work in most cases, but it's certainly not the ideal method of repair. |
Thanks! I learned something new! Here's a piece from Lindy Fralin about how he does it. He says, "Except for Fender, most vintage pickups were not potted, or at least not well-potted." That would explain why I didn't know that. 
https://www.stewmac.com/How-To/Online_Resources/Learn_About_Guitar_Pickups_and_Electronics_and_Wiring/Wax_potting_pickups.html
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Glenn Austin
From:
Montreal, Canada
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Posted 15 Jun 2019 7:11 pm
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I wouldn't change the pickup, The entire undercarriage of rods, springs, hooks and brass collars are all semi loose, just hanging there. They are noisy guitars. I think you have to adapt your playing style to it. I've had three push pull guitars, and they all made noise. Even the Tommy White video on Youtube has pedal and rod noise.
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Jack Goodson
From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 15 Jun 2019 8:01 pm change noisy pickups
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| if it gets microphonic enough no one will have to tell you to change it....jack |
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Stephane Morency
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 16 Jun 2019 5:03 am
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Merci Glenn !
I'm adapting my playing and it isn't that worse, just really more alive when the volume pedal is full open.. but that thing sounds fantastic.
Again, changing the pickup have never cross my mind, my intention was to know what you guys are considering "normal"
Donny, Al, Jack, again, thank you ! I learn, I learn ! |
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