There may be a thousand and one.......

Jack Dougherty · From: Spring Hill, Florida, USA

reasons why guitars tune and de-tune. All this talk of compensators has my head spinning like the exorcist.
Gentalmen......PLEASE.....I have been flying airplanes for forty years....never built one(except models) just flew them. Now airplanes do some silly things every once and awhile so as a pilot I have to "compensate" for that. And so it goes for the steel.
It too does silly things for which one needs some help or compensation. Now maybe I should have asked why but I didn't. Just like the airplane. Not because I don't care but because as long as there was and is a way to fix it......So what. The point being, IMHO we should spend more time on top of the guitar rather than under. I trust the guy who built my guitar. Hell,I trusted all of the guys who built my guitars. If something was needed to make it play better...just do it. It's all physics jumble to me any way so I'm not getting up set with it.So rather that taking up BoBs hard drive space with something(as I've seen by all the threads) no one can agree on, lets start a naked steel thread....with pics. Lets see how long that one lasts!!

JD

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[This message was edited by Jack Dougherty on 18 May 2006 at 03:57 PM.]

Rick Campbell · From: Sneedville, TN, USA

Jack,

The tuning detuning is caused by not setting the guitar to the current barometric pressure in the Colsman window (located on the right end of the guitar). Also, as you move from different elevations the lapse rate causes the strings to stretch and contract. Also, you have to be careful when the temperature/dew point spread gets close together because the fog sets in on the strings.

YOu can not play with a band at night unless you play three tunes from start to finish at night within the past 90 days. You have to be current to be "steel player in command"

Once you cross the "outer marker", located at the 12th fret. The tuning becomes more critical the closer you get to the end.

If you still have problems, set the knobs on the amp to 7700 and set you tuner to 121.5....you know the rest....

You think I've ever done any flying???

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Jack Dougherty · From: Spring Hill, Florida, USA

Rick.....

You nailed it!!! That's what I'm talking about!!!

J

Colby Tipton · From: Crosby, Texas, USA

Jack,
I didn't even finish the first sentence and I was clear on what you was going to say.
You have to compensate on anything to do with any instrument and anything to do with life. Just Do It.

Curt Langston · Posted 18 May 2006 5:36 pm

Jack Dougherty · From: Spring Hill, Florida, USA

Curt...

I agree.......But if a theory is presented let's say that two and two is indeed four, and then someone says not if you have a 24 inch scale or wood necks. Or if I'm triple raising 5 and 7 and double lowering 1 and 9. This is where I depart from the tech side of the guitar and start playing again.
I guess it's just the nature of this beast that gets the better of me. Or maybe most of us. Most of the threads regarding the subject have come full circle and to no conclusion as far as I interpret it. And we have heard from some heavy weights IMHO. And once again, I thought the explanation of the issue was clear in more than one thread.
So I do not want to belittle the topic by any means. The tech stuff is fine by me. But we must all be speaking the same language. If you check back with the topic I think you'll see what I mean.......BTW...I'm still waiting to hear about my proposal

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Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

I have a $4000 Steel..I started fooling with it's prescision tooled components , mechanics, compensators , rollers, KEYS etc..all that stuff..

so I could save a 50 cent string...

Ernest Cawby · From: Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.

Hey Jack tomorrow is the day, have you made up your mind yet??????????
we are loading up. Jack Conyer called last night he has the bug and feels awfull and has cancelled his room, call quick and you can be next door to us. You need to be there to fill his spot. I will try to get Rob to do his penny song with me or Love
me, they are both nice songs. There was a lady at saluda last time when Rob held that note she just screemed out loud, I think she liked it. Rob smiled real big.We did it again at Clinton.

ernie

Ron Kirby · From: Nashville TN

Bottom line ! We will never be in perfect tuning.

Curt Langston · Posted 19 May 2006 4:46 am

Jack:

Refresh my memory. What was your proposal?

John Daugherty · From: Rolla, Missouri, USA

Cuz, it's good to see your post. I too am appalled at the emphasis placed on equipment. Maybe it's because I learned on whatever I could afford to own. There were no footpedals or electronic tuners when I started playing.
As the equipment evolved, I evolved with it, learning to "compensate" for equipment shortcomings.
I can't knock someone for wanting a lot of gadgetry, but all the gadgets can't compensate for technique and "touch". Without talent, you still won't sound good.
You're right, this subject has been beat to death. Still, too many players expect the equipment to make them sound good.
My advice to the beginner is: develop the touch, no matter what kind of equipment you have.
Jack, I might add that you have what I call "the touch". I thoroughly enjoy your playing.

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Jack Dougherty · From: Spring Hill, Florida, USA

Thanks John......

"Cuz" I like that. I try not to get wrapped up in threads like these. They sometimes tend to spiral from lofty heights too often ending up in a smoking hole...
Thanks for your compliment.. It means alot to me coming from seasoned player as yourself. And to all the other players who may read this. It bears repeating. This forum to me is a breath of fresh air. I enjoy the "FRIENDLY" bickering. When egos start getting brused take a break
and go practice. I practice alot

Curt...refer to last line of my first thread

Ernie...The more time I have...the less I have
J

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