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Topic: C6 middle F |
John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 28 Dec 2018 10:57 am |
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Middle F is very important to me and I’ve had 6 string raise on C6 as long as I can remember on pedal 4. Buddy had 6 string raise here often , Doug always had reverse p6 on LKL, Buck has reverse p6 + whole tone raise on 10th string on p4.
Many players opt for lower 5 string a whole step with 10 string raise, usually on a knee lever. Her by, Tommy and Mike J all do this. John Hughey had 5 lower and 6 raise both on separate knees!
I find it more useful to have the 9th above the root instead of the major 7th below the root in the voicing. What's your preference and why? |
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Tom Gorr
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Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 28 Dec 2018 9:06 pm
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I have the S5 whole tone lower. It came on my guitar this way and I have no experience with an s6 raise.
I play out of the s9 F root a lot and that change helps phrases resolve nicely to the I chord in that context. .(eg.. the G otherwise makes an add 9 from s9 F root). This change also works well in combination with P6 as a the +2 V7 chord.
Biggest disadvantage is the throw length on CKR is so long it restricts my ability to fully throw RKL until I back off on it. No doubt this issue is fixable by moving the change to the outside lever.
Last edited by Tom Gorr on 29 Dec 2018 6:00 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 1:58 am
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what ? Could you repeat the question ! 
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 6:49 am
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I have MKR raising the E to F and the 10th to a D.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 9:49 am
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Since I have pedal 7 on a knee lever, I have the pedal, to the right of pedal six available. On that pedal, I lower string 5 from G to F, And raise string one to D#. It works great with pedal 6. I like the 7th tone in the higher strings. Haven't researched the string 10 raise to D on a lever/pedal along with the G to F lower.
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scott murray
From:
Asheville, NC
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 10:53 am
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been raising both my Es to F with pedal 4 for years, can't live without it
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 11:00 am
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That's interesting, Scott. Where did the notion come from? Was it your idea? I hadn't heard of that as an option but I can see that it has possibilities.
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 12:42 pm
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| Roger, I copied Buck, pedal 4 lowers 2, raise 6 and raise 10! |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 12:50 pm
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Hi, John.
Actually, it was Buck who put that pull on my Emmons for me, except he just raised the middle E and the low C - he didn't lower my 2nd. Maybe he developed that later. This was maybe twelve years ago now.
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scott murray
From:
Asheville, NC
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 1:20 pm
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Buck pitched that change to me when I brought him my JCH to set up recently. I may end up trying it on one of my extra pedals, now that I'm playing a 10x8.
I did come up with the raises on pedal 4, I forget what I was working on at the time which prompted the change, but I use it all the time these days. It only makes sense to have a full F chord in open position, when you've got the option of major and dominant 7 chords.
I was quite pleased to discover Buddy had the same change on his 4th pedal, at least he did for awhile
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 1:31 pm
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Buck suggested the 6/10 raise to me at a point when I'd barely delved into C6th at all. Listen to him demonstrating the change was proof enough that, in capable hands, it made good sense but it would be a long while before I truly began to understand its applications.
Scott: your P4 (raising the Es to F) is interesting and it's another way to further orientate 'E9 thinking' on the back neck. It gives us, as you say, a virtually straight-up F chord at the zero fret, rather than the highly coloured F maj7 or maj9 that we have now (with no tonic in the higher registers).
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 3:46 pm
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If you play a uni you have that change already.
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Bill Cunningham
From:
Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2018 8:24 pm
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I loved the 6,5,4,3 Maj7 voicing of the whole tone lower from the first time I heard it on Maurice's old LP's when I was a kid. As you know, John, that's what I have.
I'd love to have the "flip flop" pedal as DJ referred to it once  and Buck uses so nicely with the 10 raise. My guitar has 9+9 already. So many opportunities and no more pedals/knees practically speaking....
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Christopher Woitach
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2018 10:25 am
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I have both on my Bb6 S12 - they both fall into the “I couldn’t live without them†category.
The lower makes such a beautiful close voiced min9 chord, especially since my 12th string is tuned to C (like tuning string 10 on C6 to D, a 9th or 2nd, depending on how you look at it.
The raise is, among other things, part of the Uni setup, as well as a terrific middle string melodic device.
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 4 Aug 2024 7:33 am
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2024 update:
My P4 lowers 2 (Eb) and raises 6 and 10 *F and D respectively).
My new MKV - raises the 4th to B but, instead of raises the 8th as well, I'm raising the 7th (C to D).
Very useful so far!
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