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Topic: If you were getting a second PSG ? |
Billy Murdoch
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Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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Posted 23 Feb 2006 3:08 pm |
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For the sake of discussion let us assume you have a guitar E9th with the "most common"set up and you were ordering a new steel,would you order the same set up or add to it,and if so what would you add.
I notice that in a lot of instructional material the authors advertise that their music can be played on the "basic" set up so why have a few more levers and pedals if you can play the tunes the Pros do with only a basic set up.
Best regards
Billy |
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Wilburn Meeks
From:
California, USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2006 3:22 pm
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| What do you consider a basic set up. I think 3 floor pedals 4 levers possible 1 more verticle as a basic. Where its Day or Emmons Those pedal and levers can be arrange to play most commercial lick and runs, all you neet to add is talent. Good luck |
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Gary Shepherd
From:
Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2006 4:45 pm
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You can probbly play 95% (or more) of what you hear on the radio with 3 pedals and 5 levers.
Any additions are probably just "lick pedals and levers". However, I'm sure than ANYTHING you add to a basic setup could have chord useage.
A couple of things I'd like to add are a G# to G pedal and/or the Franklin pedal. But I wouldn't get another guitar just for that. I'd add it to my Carter D-10. (I'm actually about the add a couple of pulls the the existing pedals and levers). I'm going to add a G# to F# drop on the 6th string and an E to E# on the C pedal for my 8th string.
Later, I may add a 0 pedal. Either the G# to G or the Franklin pedal.
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Gary Shepherd
Carter D-10
www.16tracks.com
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Marlin Smoot
From:
Kansas
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Posted 23 Feb 2006 4:48 pm
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The "Paul Franklin pedal" seems more and more accepted. Paul also has instruction CD's explaining the use.
I would keep "my" basic set up; 9 floors & 5 knees but I would consider getting a steel with this Paul Franklin set up included.
I also have a S-10 Emmons with 3 and 3 and I really get most everything I need from that on the weekend job, however there are times when I play that guitar that I wish I had my other knee levers, but there's something to be said about playing "less". Sometimes "less" is "more".
I'm doing double duty playing lead and steel currently in the band I'm with but if I had a "steel only" job, I would use my D-10 Emmons because of more possibilities with the knee's and pedal's.
Good luck on your quest. |
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Marc Friedland
From:
Fort Collins, CO
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Posted 23 Feb 2006 5:01 pm
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Billy,
A couple of years ago I did buy a second psg.
I bought a 2nd Carter, almost exactly similar to my first. Both of them are S10's in E9 tuning. My older one has 3 pedals and 5 knee levers, my newer one has 4 pedals and 5 knee levers. And no, my additional pedal is not a "Franklin" pedal. It raises both E's a whole step to F#, without engaging any other string. For my taste and style, this particular change made the most sense for me. I play my share of gigs, so I use my older guitar as my gig guitar, and keep the newer one at home for practice, and the occasional recording session.
For me, it helps to have close to identical guitars, so there's almost no transition time needed when switching from one to the other, in respects to getting used to the action, pedal, lever set-up, etc.
Good luck,
Marc[This message was edited by Marc Friedland on 23 February 2006 at 05:01 PM.] |
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Ricky Littleton
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Steely-Eyed Missile Man from Cocoa Beach, Florida USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2006 7:05 pm
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If I did it, I'd go for broke for changes, pedals and knees. The reason is that this guitar would be my "proving ground" with the 94 Legrande being my axe of choice. I like the idea of a "test bed".
It's true you may not need it all, but from a curiosity standpoint, I would welcome the confusion!!!
Ricky...
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Emmons LeGrande - 8x4
Session 400 Ltd, Nashville 112,Hilton Volume pedal, Peterson VS-II Tuner
Dan-Echo, E-Bow, Ibanez Distortion, Bo-Bro, Ibanez Auto-Wah, Regal Dobro
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Ricky Littleton
From:
Steely-Eyed Missile Man from Cocoa Beach, Florida USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2006 7:06 pm
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...but of course I work in radar, so I'm sorta strange any way!!!!
Ricky...
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Emmons LeGrande - 8x4
Session 400 Ltd, Nashville 112,Hilton Volume pedal, Peterson VS-II Tuner
Dan-Echo, E-Bow, Ibanez Distortion, Bo-Bro, Ibanez Auto-Wah, Regal Dobro
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Pat Carlson
From:
Sutton, Nebraska, R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Feb 2006 8:04 pm
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I would get an extended E-9th Laquer with the same basic set up.But with those 2 big Bass strings.Come to think of it why not a 13 stringer with the big low B on the bottom! 
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The Lone Prairie Steeler Pat
[This message was edited by Patrick Carlson on 23 February 2006 at 08:10 PM.] |
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John Macy
From:
Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 23 Feb 2006 8:49 pm
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| I like having all my guitars fairly identical, with an exception here and there... |
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Leslie Ehrlich
From:
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 24 Feb 2006 12:49 am
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| Something that is light enough to haul around. |
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Archie Nicol R.I.P.
From:
Ayrshire, Scotland
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Posted 24 Feb 2006 4:27 am
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| If I were to get a second steel, I'd probably get a boot up the arse from 'er indoors. |
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Billy Murdoch
From:
Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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Posted 24 Feb 2006 6:22 am
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Well Arch,
I only axed.
I moved the Emmons on and the cupboard looks bare.
Billy |
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Allan Thompson
From:
Scotland.
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Posted 24 Feb 2006 6:30 am
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Hey Billy,
Does this mean there will be another guitar bought in Dallas or are you going to use the money for replenishing Anne's gin stock. Hee Hee. |
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John Poston
From:
Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2006 8:14 am
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| If you have the money to spare, I would get either one more knee or one more foot pedal than you're using currently. That way, you have the setup you're familiar with, yet you have a little something extra to experiment with without having to do much work. |
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Billy Murdoch
From:
Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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Posted 24 Feb 2006 8:46 am
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Allan,
It would take more than one Emmons to do that.Anyway just for your cheek I will let Ann see your post.
Seriously folks,I thank you all for your suggestions,there is a lot of good advice there.
See you all in Dallas I hope.
Best regards
Billy |
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Ken Thompson
From:
Great Falls, Montana, USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2006 9:37 am
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| I play a Carter and I have a Sho-Bud but it needs allot of work so it doesn't count. However, my second steel would be a reconditioned Sho-Bud S10. I love the history and the tradition of Sho-Bud. I used to think I wanted an Emmons but that has changed. I'll find that right Bud, or have mine redone one of these days. |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 24 Feb 2006 9:57 am
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My basic setup is a 6x6 single 12. I think everyone has his/her own preferred setup. Beyond the 6x6, I have several changes I will use if they are there. I rarely have anything on my guitars that I won't use.
The bare bones setup is on my push-pull Emmons because I prefer to keep things as simple as possible on that guitar. My Bud has 7x6 and my Fessenden has 8x8. All have the core 6x6 configuration. If anyone is interested it's all on my website -- click below.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Darvin Willhoite
From:
Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2006 11:03 am
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I have seven D-10's that are setup virtually the same, even with my oddball two RKL arrangement. I am currently rebuilding a single 12 that will be fun to play with. I haven't messed with a universal tuning for about 15 years. The pedal and knee lever setup will be close to my D10's, but I know I'm going to have trouble with the 10th string being in the 9th string position, and the two extra strings. Oh well, I'm usually confused anyway.
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Darvin Willhoite
Riva Ridge Recording
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