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Topic: Emmons - compensator? |
Roger Rettig
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Naples, FL
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Posted 24 Nov 2018 7:54 am |
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I'm somewhat ham-fistedly endeavouring to correct an issue on my Emmons and while returning all 'pulls' to 'zero', to my surprise, I find there's what has to be a compensator rod on my 9th string on C6th. (It does have a dark blue nylon tuner.)
I have one raise (P5) and one lower (P but also this third rod located in the higher of the two 'lowers' at the changer and attached to the 'stop bar' six inches from the changer.
Is this normal on this string? I confess I've never noticed it before.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 24 Nov 2018 8:07 am
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| Roger, this is a lower return compensator. It should have a small rubber o-ring between tuning nut and changer. These are used on any string that raises and lowers . As an extra cost option it's questionable how many are on Emmons Legrandes. My Legrande has seven, but none on 9th string C neck! It's most used on the 10th string, C neck. |
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Roger Rettig
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Naples, FL
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Posted 24 Nov 2018 9:11 am
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Thanks, John. As far as I can tell my guitar, despite being loaded (8+9) has just four compensators.
I'm still wrestling with this thing - maybe more will come to light!
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 24 Nov 2018 11:00 am
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John, the 9th string on my Franklin C6th neck does not have a drop return compensator either. Mr Franklin told me it wasn't needed.
All the others (E9th and C6th) that both raise and lower have drop return compensators.
FWIW and may not apply on another brand guitar but I find two rubber O rings are needed on my C6th 10th string return compensator to get a positive return. |
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J R Rose
From:
Keota, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2018 11:37 am
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Hey you guys. I just lately got my first push/pull Emmons and so what is a compensator? I do not know anything about an Emmons other than this one has that Awesome Sound that everyone talks of. 1972 model.
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 24 Nov 2018 11:59 am
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Very briefly, JR, certain combinations of raises-and-lowers on the same string create mechanical anomalies. A compensator is an extra rod, activated by the relevant pedal, that helps correct the slight inaccuracy by pulling in tandem with the main rods.
Doubtless an expert can explain it more fully.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Lynn Stafford
From:
Ridgefield, WA USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2018 12:13 pm Lowering Compensators
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| Hey you guys. I just lately got my first push/pull Emmons and so what is a compensator? I do not know anything about an Emmons other than this one has that Awesome Sound that everyone talks of. 1972 model. |
J.R.,
Congratulations on your recent acquisition. Push-pull guitars do not have any such compensators. However, lots of all-pull guitar do and they work very well. My understanding is that Paul Franklin Senior was the first to develop this idea on his guitars.
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Best regards,
Lynn Stafford
STEEL GUITAR WEST
http://www.steelguitarwest.com
Steel Guitar Technician (Restoration, Set-up, Service and Repair work)
Previous Emmons Authorized Dealer & Service Technician (original factory is now closed)
ZumSteel Authorized Service Technician
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J R Rose
From:
Keota, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 25 Nov 2018 1:34 pm
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Thanks Guys for your info. Whew! Don't have to worry about that. J.R.
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Drew Pierce
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 25 Nov 2018 2:41 pm
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Interesting that PP Emmons don't have these compensators even though they do have several strings with both raises and lowers. The Es come to mind right off the bat.
My Zum had them to compensate for what Bruce described as "string hysteresis", which is a tendency of steel strings to "over-return" when lowers return to pitch. While they worked very well, I haven't missed them on my push-pulls. I'm sure if I got into the nitty gritty with a sensitive tuner I would become aware of the problem. But lucky for me, my hearing, together with the noisy venues I usually play, are such that I don't notice those little problems.
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Drew Pierce
Emmons D10 Fatback, S10 bolt-on, Zum D10, Evans RE500, Hilton volume and delay pedals. |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 25 Nov 2018 5:06 pm
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| Push-pull changers don’t need compensators by virtue of the changer design. There is no open note balance point as in an all-pull changer design. String tension and return spring tension are sufficient to return the string to open pitch. That said, cabinet drop, roller nut and friction issues can occur as with any guitar. |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 25 Nov 2018 5:56 pm
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duplicate post
Last edited by Tony Glassman on 26 Nov 2018 10:07 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2018 9:46 pm
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Can someone draw or show a simple illustration of one of these? Thx, RP
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