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Topic: Another S-10 vs SD-10 Post |
Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 20 Feb 2006 12:43 pm |
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I know this is covered in the search history, but I wanted to narrow down the topic to bass response. I currently own a Sho-Bud Pro 1 and while I love the tone I'm not getting the bass response no matter how much low end I add. It's not bad, but having played a few SD-10's it seems the tone has more body to it.
I am tempted to trade my Pro 1 for a LDG. Will I notice a difference in sound? Let's presume they both have the later Superpro mechanism.
I also find the pad a lot more comfortable.... |
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 20 Feb 2006 1:52 pm
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If you're looking for a sound that you can clearly detect on a recording or in a live situation, I seriously doubt it.
I play a single 12 and have found no difference in the sound of single vs double bodies
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for the same reason you mention at the end of your post, I ONLY play double body guitars. They are more comfortable for me. That's reason enough. Often players with long legs prefer the angle your legs make to the pedals on a double frame. It's a very individual thing, but, beacause they sound better? I don't think so.
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2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Henry Nagle
From:
Santa Rosa, California
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Posted 20 Feb 2006 6:03 pm
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| Which undercarraige do you have? There are big tone differences. I had a early 70's D10 that had a new changer and newer style bellcranks etc. I found it to be really thin compared to an S10 ZB that I had at the time. Zirbel's got a S10 rack and barrel guitar that has loads of low end. In fact, it sounds stunning! |
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 20 Feb 2006 7:57 pm
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I have the Superpro undercarriage. It's an early 80's Pro 1.
I read on some past posts that there is no difference in tone between the S-10 and SD-10. So why does a Gibson Les Paul have great sustain owing to its body's density and weight? If the strings are vibrating through a larger piece of wood and the pickups are conducting those vibrations to the amplifier, doesn't it stand to reason that a LDG would have a deeper tone than a Pro 1?
If anybody has owned both of these models, I'd love to hear from them. I'm aware of the tonal difference in various eras of the Sho-Bud, due to the different mechanisms, etc. I'm just looking for a general opinion from someone who has owned both models.
In a perfect world, I'd have both.  |
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Michael Barone
From:
Downingtown, Pennsylvania
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Posted 20 Feb 2006 8:18 pm
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Chris, if your using a single coil pickup, you may try an experiment with a pickup that has more windings, resulting in more DC resistance. The difference may be subtle. If you do a search on "pickup winding" a lot of stuff is there. I would also suggest consulting with Ricky Davis for some ideas. Hopefully he'll chime in.
My Sho Bud Pro-1 (model 6148) is different than yours. I had the opposite problem, not enough high end. It just proves that each individual guitar is different.
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Dave Zirbel
From:
Sebastopol, CA USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2006 8:53 pm
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I've owned a Pro 1 and a Super Pro at the same time, both with the exact same mechanism, both triple raise double lower, etc. I always felt that the double body Super Pro had a bigger and deeper sound. And yes, the old buds sound better to me, probably because of the changer but I guess that's not the issue here.
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 20 Feb 2006 9:14 pm
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In my experience the SD10's sound much better. The S10's always have this doinky sound I can't deal with compared to the SD10's of the same brand. Except for PP's. Those S10's sound great.
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 20 Feb 2006 9:26 pm
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| Well, everybody's different but I have never found a LDG Sho-Bud I didn't like. I owned three over the years. I test a guitar by plugging straight into the amp with no effects. I've also played some S-10 Sho-Bud's I liked. The piok up is one thing I look at. I prefer the Bill Lawrence or George L's. A new humbucker can bring new life to most any guitar. For comfort, the LDG. For lightweight, S-10. There all good! |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 21 Feb 2006 8:36 am
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Chris; I have had both S-10 and SD-10 models of that later shobud mechanism here at the house many times. To me; it really comes down to the grade of maple used for each steel. Eventhough the later shobud mechanism; to me, had a inferior sound due to the hardware materials they put on; I've had a S-10 that blew the SD-10 out the door in full sound low to high; simply because of the grade of Maple for that particular steel. In the 80's; it was really a shot in the dark wheather or not a good piece of maple was used or not(they bought cheap bulk maple);as sometimes there was a good piece that came through. Now I also; have had a SD-10; from that era that blew the doors off of the other 8 SD-10's I've had here; with the exact same mechaism and pickup and everything> simply because of the grade of Maple.
So basically; it will come down to any particular steel your considering; as you will never really know until you play it first; of how it will respond to what you want to hear. There are still too many factors involved from one steel to the next.
Them's my two cents.
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 21 Feb 2006 11:38 am
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| The grade of maple is something I didn't consider. Thanks for your valued input, Ricky. What is your current Sho-Bud for gigging? |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 21 Feb 2006 12:09 pm
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Chris; this is my current and only Sho-bud I own and play.
It's a first year LDG with single/single infinate raise/lower barrel tuners behind two-hole pullers....>round front big body Maple; with the original coil tap pickup and white background fretboard.
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 21 Feb 2006 12:31 pm
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The pad gets in my way, and makes it difficult to keep up with my feet on my S12 Universal. The double body makes the instrument heavier and bigger, which seems to defeat the purpose of having a single neck. I can routinely throw my S12U on my shoulder (leaving one hand free to open doors, etc.), carry it up the basement steps and out of my house, set it upright behind the back seat of my minivan, carry it into a practice or gig and set it down and start tuning up. With a double body, I would have to dissassemble it and pack it in a case (which adds extra weight) every time I took it out of the house. If I need more bass, I turn up the bass on my amp. Having the absolute best possible sound in subtle ways that could only be heard in a side-by-side comparison is not something that makes me want to live with the burden of an unused double-wide body. It just doesn't work for me. But obviously it does for many players. So after you hear all the opinions, you just have to make the decision based on your own preferences.
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 21 Feb 2006 2:02 pm
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| Oh ya, now that's a rig. I saw this before in another thread. Thanks for taking the time to post it again. I can just imagine how it sounds. |
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