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Dennis Detweiler
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Solon, Iowa, US
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Posted 21 Jul 2018 9:05 am |
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Is anyone using a decent sounding pedal or chain of pedals that simulates single note fiddle background fills?
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Scott Duckworth
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Etowah, TN Western Foothills of the Smokies
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Posted 21 Jul 2018 10:22 am
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I have used my Zoom MS-50G in the Violin setting with these parameters:
SlowAttck
Time 3
Curve 5
Level 100
You have to also swell the volume. I use a volume pedal with lap steel.
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Steve Sycamore
From:
Sweden
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Posted 23 Jul 2018 12:34 am
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| Alesis Quadraverb GT units can be found for very reasonable prices. One mode has a "resonator" where you can program 4 or 5 very high Q filters to resonate at frequencies that match violin wolf tones, body resonances and air resonances. Those go a long way to giving you a real feeling and sounding string instrument simulation. I suspect those might help a lot to simulate a better sounding dobro too. |
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David Hodan
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Denton, Texas; USA
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Bill Hatcher
From:
Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 29 Jul 2018 11:20 am
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years ago some pedal players would use the jordan boss tone and they would claim it to be a violin sound. those things sounded awful. if you tried to use them on underarm guitar, they had this terrible soft mushy sound of muffled angry bees....but wait...what did the synths of the day sound like when they advertised that they got the sound of a string ensemble?...they basically sounded like a muffled cluster of angry bees...so the jordan boss tone would give you a sort of approximation of an elka string ensemble sounding like mushy angry bees. if you put a lot of verb on it and buried it in a track you could get some mileage out of it being used as a string ensemble patch...but...the first time you tried to play a single violin line or pray tell a bluegrass violin part...it was laughable at best. today there are violin/fiddle samples. you will have to have a pickup that will get you in the synth midi or get you into a computer. that would be the best way now. what will pass for a hidden mushy angry bee violin ensemble 30 years ago will not work today.
if i were looking to sound like other things rather than a steel, i would hang a 6 string neck off my console guitar or get a double neck with one neck being a 6 string and buy a roland guitar synth and use that. roland has been the only company that for all these years has supported guitar synths and the steel might even track even better than a standard guitar. if you didnt want the other neck, you could mount the 6 string roland pickup under your favorite six strings and have at it! there were some midi pickups made years ago. i dont know if that company is still around or not...was it IVP? went to youtube to see some roland sounds. i even found the roland guitar synth as the choice for the folks playing midi violins...which basically are solid body things with no violin sound at all! they are dependent on whatever synth you hook them up to. here is a roland 55 and the different string sounds it has. im sure there are umpteen patches around you can choose from. this is the direction i would go for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dohndG5E5Sg
ps i listened to all of the patches. the string ensemble patches are probably the best patches of all of them. the cello patch was nice. also keep in mind whoever is playing these patches is just hittin' guitar strings to trigger the sounds. your musicianship and approach to using these sounds is a big part of making them work nicely. your mileage may vary.
Last edited by Bill Hatcher on 29 Jul 2018 11:35 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 29 Jul 2018 12:46 pm
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I think the GR-55 sounds pretty darn good but, so far, I've been managing to get by without having to go to midi. Here are two rehearsal clips. On the first one, the "cello" line comes in at around 0:14. On the second clip, you'll hear the high "violin" line throughout and especially on the ending. I think I'm getting away with it but if all you Forumites tell me you think it sucks, I may have to revisit my approach and find another way to skin this cat. Let me know your candid feedback, please!
https://soundcloud.com/jim-cohen/sets/bosstone-violin-and-cello-emulation
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Bill Hatcher
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Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 29 Jul 2018 1:57 pm
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| Jim Cohen wrote: |
I think the GR-55 sounds pretty darn good but, so far, I've been managing to get by without having to go to midi. Here are two rehearsal clips. On the first one, the "cello" line comes in at around 0:14. On the second clip, you'll hear the high "violin" line throughout and especially on the ending. I think I'm getting away with it but if all you Forumites tell me you think it sucks, I may have to revisit my approach and find another way to skin this cat. Let me know your candid feedback, please!
https://soundcloud.com/jim-cohen/sets/bosstone-violin-and-cello-emulation |
first of all where is the vol icon for the track!!! lol
i couldnt find it.
jim....sorry, buts is just the buzzing thing. i think it sounds more like some kind of electronic italian organ. thats the exact sound that the guys were passing off as string section pads years ago when the string syth patches werent much better. your playing is fine, but the sound is not a string pad, but...if you got paid for the session, then it was fine.  went back to the ytube to try to find some more gr55 sounds. check this out for the string pads this guy gets...plus others. its pretty decent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0Zip8Cx2s |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 29 Jul 2018 2:49 pm
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I have been waiting for Electro Harmonics to come up with "string machine" type pedal. The Key 9, C9, B9 and Mel9 pedals are pretty good with 1/4 inch jacks in/out and no MIDI
Many years ago, I had an Emmons String Machine that had 3 pickups you placed under the strings. I could never get it to track consistently. |
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George Redmon
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Muskegon & Detroit Michigan.
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Posted 29 Jul 2018 3:40 pm
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| The E-Bow has always worked for me. I have even gotten fairly convincing results with Brads Solar Flare pedal. I use a combination of long single echo swells, volume pedal technique, and the ebow. I am by no means a master of the art of fiddle simulation, but like the use of my Goodrich MatchBro, it's all in the thinking of the instrument you wish to imitate. Viva Steel Guitar Effects. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 30 Jul 2018 7:45 am Re: Violin Simulator
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| Dennis Detweiler wrote: |
| Is anyone using a decent sounding pedal or chain of pedals that simulates single note fiddle background fills? |
I think there needs to be a definition line between violin and strings. I read the OP as wanting to play stuff like what Johnny Gimble might play in a song. These fuzz box sounds never sounded to me like a single violin, only multiple strings sounds to me. Even the E-H MEL9 sounds aren't that totally convincing to me, and I use one. The only way I could get a convincing violin sound, with string attack of the bow on the string, was to get a synthesizer. One with velocity sensitivity can get you the sound of bouncing the bow on the string.
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