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Topic: Kayton Roberts "The Waltz You Saved For Me" |
Kevin Glandon
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New York, USA
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Joshua Clements
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Tifton, Georgia.
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Posted 27 Jul 2018 7:16 am |
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| To me, Kayton is one of the kings of steel guitar. I never got to see him live, but I saw Marty Stuart and the Superlatives a few weeks ago. They were incredible. Chris Scruggs played bass, not the steel though. If there was a player I wish I could emulate on the steel, it would be Kayton. Thanks for sharing the love. |
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Phillip Vaught
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Dallas,Texas, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2018 9:42 am
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what a great performance, that was awesome
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Steven Welborn
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Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2018 10:56 am
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His F9 neck looks like an unusual but useful tuning than the standard 6th (A6 or C6) and E13th. Seems like another way of combing the two.
Bottom half strings 8 thru 5 (intervals): 1-5-7-9
Top half strings 4 thru 1: 1-3-6-1 |
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Kevin Glandon
From:
New York, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2018 10:59 am Steven Welborn
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| Hmmm.. So how would you spell that tuning? |
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Kevin Glandon
From:
New York, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2018 11:02 am Chime In Please
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| Chris Scruggs.....If you're out there...."chime in" on this. I know you know. Thanks. |
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Steven Welborn
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Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2018 11:05 am
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From bottom to top:
F-C-Eb-G-F-A-D-F
1-5-7--9-1-3-6-1 |
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Kevin Glandon
From:
New York, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2018 11:09 am Steve Welborn
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| Welp...That's Kayton's F9 tuning! Just as you spelled it. |
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Brad Davis
From:
Texas, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2018 11:42 am
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| I don't really know or play this tuning, other than that it is basically an E9 moved up half a step, to complement C6. So it "plays" like E9. |
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Einar Baldursson
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Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted 28 Jul 2018 12:30 am
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I just noticed that if you take strings 8, 7, 4, 3, 2, 1 and lower them a half step it's Sol Hoopii's C#m7 tuning(basically E6). Add strings 6 and 5 that are the b7 and 9th respectively and you get F13th. Interestingly if you lower the whole thing to E you get the same notes as this C#m-9th tuning from Jerry Byrd's course:
C#m-9th: E C# G# F# E D B E
The only difference between the two is that the middle E (root) and the F# (9th) switch places in Kayton's tuning making them out of sequence. I can only speculate as to why but maybe Kayton liked to preserve the top 4 string intervals of the C#m7 tuning intact.
Speaking of Kayton....at about 3:33 - 4:03 in this clip he's really playing his heart out. It seems to be a Hank Snow tune in the key of E, 3/4 time but I can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know the name of this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ck4aDgj8E&index=57&list=PLOnJfLoQbQRKmI2GpnMoCcFVLduTV05hj&t=0s&frags=pl%2Cwn
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Kevin Glandon
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New York, USA
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Einar Baldursson
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Stockholm, Sweden
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Andy DePaule
From:
Saigon, Viet Nam & Springfield, Oregon
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Posted 28 Jul 2018 6:40 am A6th works well for this too
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A6th works well for this in the key of E too.
On the three high strings you just walk it up from the 4th fret to the 7th and then a forward slant and back... The rest just falls into place easy.
Looks like he does it very much the same as I've been, but I never went down to the lower frets. Will have to try that when I get my steel out again.
Nice tune and easy to learn. 
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Chris Scruggs
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Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 29 Jul 2018 9:57 pm
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For the Waltz You Saved For Me, drop the second string down from D to C, which turns the F13 tuning into an F9, comparable to Jerry Byrd's E9 tuning only tuned a half step higher. The main "pedal" sounding lick comes from a simultaneous reverse slant AND string pull...
Play a straight major chord across the top three strings. Then back slant so that the third string goes up to the next fret. At the same time, pull the second string so that it goes up a full step from where it started. If you were playing this lick on the 12th fret in F9, the notes would move from:
F
C
A
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F
D
Bd
I hope that makes sense.
~Chris Scruggs~ |
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Kevin Glandon
From:
New York, USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2018 3:07 am Thank you
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| Thank you for that Chris. Very much appreciated. |
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Bill Creller
From:
Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 30 Jul 2018 6:44 pm
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The "WALTZ YOU SAVED FOR ME" was the theme song for the 30s/40s "Waltz King", Wayne King. Went to see him once, in the late 40s at the local Auditorium.
Nice rendition by Kayton, for sure... |
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