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Topic: How to get the top of Emmons aluminum necks finished. |
Johnie King
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Posted 4 Aug 2018 9:10 am |
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Here is a picture of the jeweling effect it's a prosess usually done on a milling machine or drill press. With a little time An practice this would look good on Emmons aluminum neck tops.
Seems like the tops of a aluminum necks on a Emmons had a pattern that was uniform an pleasing to the Eye. What I’m seeing these days looks nothing like a factory Emmons neck. There must be more to making the neck than useing a random orbital sander. Maybe it was done using a milling machine. I bet Mike Cass could tell us.
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Mike Vallandigham
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Martinez, CA
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Posted 4 Aug 2018 10:19 am
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I think it is done with an orbital sander, with like, 80 grit.
I'm pretty sure I've seen a video of the guys at Mullen doing this.
I had a Mullen, and the texture on the neck was perfect. I like that treatment. |
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Graham Bland
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 4 Aug 2018 10:51 am What you seek
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| Jack Strayhorn is the one to ask...he is a member of the SGF |
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Jim Eaton
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Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 4 Aug 2018 11:14 am
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I watched Jim Palenscar "re-do" the jeweling on my S-10 PP neck with a palm sander when he did a "full service & oil change" on that guiter shortly after I got it.
JE:-)>
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Jim Eaton
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Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 4 Aug 2018 11:15 am
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Emmons D10PP 8/4 -75'
Emmons S-10PP 3/4 - 79'
Emmons S-12PP 3/4 -78'
MSA Legend SD12 5/5 -06'
Mullen S-12 4/5 - 1986
Nashville 112 x2 W/Knob Guards - Don't leave home with out one!
Walker SS rack system - 12"BW's
Quilter Steelaire Combo
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Mike Scaggs
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 4 Aug 2018 1:44 pm
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I use 80 grit on an National Detroit DA air sander. Less than a minute. Make sure and clean it real good before sticking your new fret board on...
Cheers
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 4 Aug 2018 5:07 pm
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I followed the advice posted by Mike Cass many years ago -- use an old school palm sander, not a random orbit sander. It's easier to control the effect because there is only one motion happening, works great to reproduce the tight original pattern.
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In effort to match the original patterning used on the p/p's,Ive found that the small, rectangular DeWalt palm(not round orbital)sander w/Norton brand coarse-grade emery cloth will produce the desired results. Home Depot carries the Norton brand.
The most important thing is to buff the neck tops in addition to the sides,then level the tops with the sander. I even sand all the way up the sides(just outside the fretboard edges but not really under that part of the f/b)to keep continuity. Buffing,then levelling will add sparkle as well as that 3D look when you reach the last step.
The final patterning process will consist of picking up and setting down the sander one quadrant of the pickup/changer/lower-fretboard area at a time until all shiny spots are gone and youre left with the pattern. Patience,here,and change emery cloth between necks; new cloth for each neck top in the final phase. 1 sheet of coarse should give you the 4 pieces needed.
In this final phase I should suggest you start with the edges though; all the way up the edges and down around the tailpiece end,then at the next step you'll automatically blend the edges to the main surface as you go.
Great idea about the practice piece to see what pressure gives you the most realistic look. Good luck! |
His original post is here at the bottom of the page:
https://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/011254.html
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Johnie King
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 5 Aug 2018 6:17 am
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| How about buff top of necks An put clear pickgurad material over the exposed buffed area. Shine instead of sanded area that's hard to keep clean. Yes opinions are like---- everybody has â˜ï¸ |
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 5 Aug 2018 6:22 am
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| Which way did the aluminum necks come from Emmons factory Sanded buffed or jeweled? |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 5 Aug 2018 6:40 am
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| IMHO a highly polished neck top surface creates too much glare under stage lighting. |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 5 Aug 2018 6:42 am
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Misfire
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 5 Aug 2018 9:26 am
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| My Franklin has polished necks. Has never been an issue, on the road/stage/bar. |
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Brian Hollands
From:
Geneva, FL USA
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Posted 5 Aug 2018 10:29 am
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That pic you put in the first post is a common process called "engine turning" you can google it for different ways to achieve the finish. Real common on pre-war cars.
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 5 Aug 2018 11:01 am
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| Brian I went on YouTube an saw several ways they do This. |
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Ron Funk
From:
Ballwin, Missouri
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Posted 6 Aug 2018 6:22 pm
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Johnnie -
All of the original Emmons aluminum necks I've seen have what is referred to as 'jeweled' necks...
..... achieved by the buffing process detailed above by Mike Cass.
Ron |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 6 Aug 2018 9:44 pm
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| I actually used a palm sander Jim ~~ |
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 8:21 am
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Boy am I glad you did it Jim and not me! I'd have used the wrong tool.
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Emmons D10PP 8/4 -75'
Emmons S-10PP 3/4 - 79'
Emmons S-12PP 3/4 -78'
MSA Legend SD12 5/5 -06'
Mullen S-12 4/5 - 1986
Nashville 112 x2 W/Knob Guards - Don't leave home with out one!
Walker SS rack system - 12"BW's
Quilter Steelaire Combo |
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Jack Strayhorn
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Winston-Salem, NC
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 12:10 pm
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| We referred to it as patterned. Achieved with an rectangular pad sander, Porter Cable, and 80 grit Emory cloth. We started by sanding the surface free of flycutter marks. Changed cloth and placed the sander on surface, applying light pressure. If the sander slips, start over with smooth sanded surface. |
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