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Topic: '65 Emmons, Franklin conversion only one? |
Bobbe Seymour
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 5:05 pm |
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A very interesting guitar, Built for whom? Excellent guitar before the switch over, and excellent workmanship now, plays like a Franklin, but is an Emmons P-P, or was.
I need info from anyone that knows anything about this guitar. Post it here and lets dig up some history on this unique steel guitar.
It's Black, very original body, Red bottom, serial/invoice number 2351.
Anybody know anything about this guitar? Interesting combination of great old collectable and new technology.
Both companys build respected products, but is this the only combination guitar built by both of these companies?
The Franklin/Emmons guitar.
Anyone?
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 5:46 pm
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Hey Bobbe,
Thats what you might call a Frankentar?
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 6:29 pm
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| Perhaps it's an Emmlin guitar. |
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 6:35 pm
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Or a Bud-Fra? An Emm-Klin? Or how about a (you fill in the blank)
I wonder who Paul Sr. built it for originally. |
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Herb Steiner
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Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 6:55 pm
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Well, it sounds like a 1966 red belly bolt-on serialized with an invoice number. The earliest metal neck bolt-on number I have in my unofficial serial number list is 2216, aside from 1264014 which didn't have the 1/8" milled lip. What kind of neck/changer is on there now, Bobbster?
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 7:28 pm
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Herbster,
It's all Franklin "all pull" now. Fingers, bottom, knees (6) and everything, Paul Sr.did some great work on it along with one incredible engineering trick I've never seen before, compression springs on the lower fingers instead of expantion springs, he did a great job of executing this trick, my hat is off to him. Easily adjustible tension and it keeps the guitar from being to long.
The guitar was originally a bolt on Emmons in GREAT shape, This guitar is a work of art for what it is.
I think it was Terry Crisp's for the last few years.
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 7:34 pm
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From the outside, it looks like a pure stock '65-66 Emmons bolt on, except for the nylon tuner windows in the endcasting.
Original tone knob, original chrome fretboards, all pure stock on top, just like when new. The red flocking is still perfect. Even have the original red case it came in. Weird guitar, but so interesting. |
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Dean Parks
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Sherman Oaks, California, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 8:12 pm
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 8:20 pm
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| Just like a Pau-Bud should! |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 10:40 pm
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I'm pretty sure Buddy Emmons had Mr. Franklin convert an Emmons for him a while back as an experiment.
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Bobby Boggs
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Upstate SC.
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 11:28 pm
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Call Terry Crisp and ask him who he sold it to??
I know Buddy doesn't care for aluminum pull rods. Too temperature sensitive. If I remember correctly? That's the reason he gave a guitar to Terry.It could be this very one...........bb |
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Craig A Davidson
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Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 3:24 am
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| My friend Eddie Lange had a converted push-pull that once belonged to Stu Basore, I think. It played like a dream and I think it might have been black. Sounded great too. [This message was edited by Craig A Davidson on 07 December 2005 at 05:00 PM.] |
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Theresa Galbraith
From:
Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 7:05 am
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Bob is correct!
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 8:01 am
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Well, my hat is still off to Mr. Paul Franklin Sr. on this one. Design and workmanship is uncomparable. A true work of art. The best of two worlds.
Guess I have the story on it now, "E" to PF Sr., converted , then back to "E", then to T.Crisp, now to me via a mediator.
Wonder what the story was on the origin of the guitar before "E" got it, when it was a prestine '65-66 original. I guess only "E" would know that.
It needs different pickups, I think the George L. PF Model would be very fitting as the Barcus-Berry's are a little thin. (Wish I was).
Thank you Bob and Theresa, and everyone that helped.
Is this a great forum or what!!!!
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jim milewski
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stowe, vermont
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 9:15 am
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| any pics? |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 9:37 am
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Of course, it's just me volunteering a little ol' unsolicited opinion,  , but I'd slap some Emmons single coil 16.5's in that puppy. If I owned it, that is, which I won't, but if I did, that's what I'd do.
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 10:00 am
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Herbster, yes, you may be correct, I do have a set, this would keep the top, actual guitar in perfect original configuration.
Jim M., as far as pictures go, why, it looks exactly like every other Emmons P-P in the world, unless it's the beautiful work on the bottom you would like to see. Yea, this guitar just might be more beautiful on the bottom than the top.
Bobbe, [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 07 December 2005 at 11:11 AM.] |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 12:14 pm
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| just might be more beautiful on the bottom than the top. |
Bobbe - Are we still talking about the guitar or one of your employees?
Lee, from South Texas
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jim milewski
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stowe, vermont
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 12:33 pm
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| ya Bobbe, I always liked looking under things, at least with a steel you don't get slapped |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 9:10 pm
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| I swear, Richard Burton has NEVER worked on this guitar! [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 07 December 2005 at 09:21 PM.] |
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 10:16 pm
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But if I did, I bet it would play even smoother  |
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