| Visit Our Catalog at SteelGuitarShopper.com |

Post new topic 1955: Bud Isaacs, Bigsby & Red Foley
Reply to topic
Author Topic:  1955: Bud Isaacs, Bigsby & Red Foley
Erv Niehaus


From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2005 7:43 am    
Reply with quote

I have a letter dated April 15th, l955 from Red Foley when he had his "Ozark Jubilee" program on TV.

It is in answer to a letter I wrote him concerning Bud Isaacs Bigsby guitar and the tuning he was using.

He wrote me a very nice letter and with Ricky Davis' help, I hope to get it posted so you all can take a look at it.
Erv
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Ricky Davis


From:
Bertram, Texas USA
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2005 9:05 am    
Reply with quote

Cool man.

Ricky
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Gene Jones

 

From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2005 9:28 am    
Reply with quote

*

[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 13 November 2005 at 11:43 AM.]

View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Bobbe Seymour

 

From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2005 9:36 am    
Reply with quote

This is the stuff that makes steel guitar so wonderful, Thank you Erv and Ricky Davis.
Bobbe
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Erv Niehaus


From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2005 11:24 am    
Reply with quote

It just to show that you should NEVER throw anything away!
Thanks, Ricky!
Erv
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Stephen Gambrell

 

From:
Over there
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2005 1:55 pm    
Reply with quote

Those were the days, huh? What a cool memento! Thanks for sharing that, Erv!
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Rex Thomas


From:
Thompson's Station, TN
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2005 2:13 pm    
Reply with quote

WOW!!
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Brett Habben

 

From:
Spicewood TX USA
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2005 6:51 pm    
Reply with quote

Erv,
That's amazing. One other thought after noticing the date. Amazing what Cabin Fever will motivate a man to do to maintain his sanity. Late Winter's the worst. I know it drove my dad to playing accordian.
Adios,
Brett
Formerly of
Route 1
Renville Minnesota
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Erv Niehaus


From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
Post  Posted 4 Nov 2005 7:25 am    
Reply with quote

Brett,
Did you ever know the Ammermanns from Renville? My two daughters both married Ammermanns.
Erv
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Bobby Lee


From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
Post  Posted 4 Nov 2005 7:27 am    
Reply with quote

What a great concept. E9 and A6 tunings on the same neck. Revolutionary!

I still don't understand why everyone abandoned those two low strings, though.

------------------
Bobby Lee (a.k.a. b0b) - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Williams D-12 E9, C6add9, Sierra Olympic S-12 (F Diatonic)
Sierra Laptop S-8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster D-8 (E13, C6 or A6)   My Blog
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
David Doggett


From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
Post  Posted 4 Nov 2005 8:54 am    
Reply with quote

b0b, they just moved those low notes to higher octaves. As I understand it, Buddy Emmons split Buds pedals into the A pedal (raising both Bs to C#) and the B pedal (raising both G#s to A). I'm not sure where he had the D raise to E. Jimmy Day then lost one of the bottom notes (the E?) and added the middle E above the D string. Then I believe Ralph Mooney lost the other low string and added a high G# on top. Finally Buddy added the two "chromatic" strings on top (after originally having them on the bottom). I guess the Nashville sound in those days just needed the higher notes more than the low ones (still does, thus the continued popularity of 10-string E9). Today, for other kinds of music, it makes complete sense to add those low strings back on an Extended E9 or Universal.

E9 evolution, as I understand it from previous threads (any clarifications of this are welcome):

Bud Isaacs' original:
		P1	P2

1 E
2 B C#
3 G# A
4 F#
5 D E
6 B C#
7 G# A
8 E


Buddy Emmons split the pedals:
		A	B

1 E
2 B C#
3 G# A
4 F#
5 D E?
6 B C#
7 G# A
8 E


Jimmy Day added the E in the middle:
		B	A

1 E
2 B C#
3 G# A
4 F#
5 E
6 D
7 B C#
8 G# A


Ralph Mooney added the G# on top:
		A	B

1 G# A
2 E
3 B C#
4 G# A
5 F#
6 E
7 D
8 B C#


BE added the "chromatic" strings:
		A	B

1 F#
2 D#
3 G# A
4 E
5 B C#
6 G# A
7 F#
8 E
9 D
10 B C#


? added the C pedal, D and E levers:
		E	A	B	C	D

1 F#
2 D# D,C#
3 G# A
4 E Eb F#
5 B C# C#
6 G# A
7 F#
8 E Eb
9 D C#
10 B C#


Lloyd Green added the F lever:
		F	E	A	B	C	D

1 F#
2 D# D,C#
3 G# A
4 E F Eb F#
5 B C# C#
6 G# A
7 F#
8 E F Eb
9 D C#
10 B C#

[This message was edited by David Doggett on 04 November 2005 at 09:10 AM.]

View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Brett Habben

 

From:
Spicewood TX USA
Post  Posted 4 Nov 2005 6:04 pm    
Reply with quote

Erv,
Small world. Yes, the Ammermanns are scattered around all the way up to Clara City. I would bet my dad knows your son-in-laws, or for sure knows their parents. I swear he knows everybody in Renville county. But I've been down here over 20 years and have kinda lost touch.
Adios, 'er, Farvel,
Brett
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Danny Spinks

 

From:
Hendersonville, TN, USA
Post  Posted 4 Nov 2005 8:09 pm    
Reply with quote

I still have my reply from Red Foley dated June 13, 1955. My letter to the "Ozark Jubilee" also asked questions about Bud Isaacs, but Bud had left the show and relocated to Phoenix.

Two other letters I have saved all these years is a reply from Buddie Emmons in March 1956, (it was still ie at that time), and a letter from Shot Jackson in August 1957, with a P.S. by Buddie Emmons.

[This message was edited by Danny Spinks on 04 November 2005 at 08:17 PM.]

View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Gene Jones

 

From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
Post  Posted 5 Nov 2005 11:41 am    
Reply with quote

*


[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 05 November 2005 at 01:23 PM.]

View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
T. C. Furlong


From:
Lake County, Illinois, USA
Post  Posted 5 Nov 2005 12:51 pm    
Reply with quote

April 15, 1955 is the day I was born.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Jussi Huhtakangas

 

From:
Helsinki, Finland
Post  Posted 7 Nov 2005 12:03 am    
Reply with quote

I have a split pedal version of the Isaacs tuning on one of my guitars and it's a very cool and versatile tuning, best of both worlds; basic A & B pedal changes and big fat jazz chords right there under your nose. It's also a very good tuning for Travis style thumb picking and the string breakage is minimal.
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website

All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Jump to:  
Please review our Forum Rules and Policies
Our Online Catalog
Strings, CDs, instruction, and steel guitar accessories
www.SteelGuitarShopper.com

The Steel Guitar Forum
148 S. Cloverdale Blvd.
Cloverdale, CA 95425 USA

Click Here to Send a Donation

Email SteelGuitarForum@gmail.com for technical support.


BIAB Styles
Ray Price Shuffles for Band-in-a-Box
by Jim Baron