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Topic: 7 + 5 Universal - changed to Extended E9 - Complete!!! |
Brandon Schafer
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2018 1:45 pm |
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So, I have a GFI Universal 7 + 5. Short story is, I am over the "universal-ness" of it. I really just want it to function as an Extended E-9. I know exactly how I prefer the knee levers to function - pretty standard stuff.
BUT - I'm looking for suggestions from you all on what you might do with the (up to) 4 remaining pedals in an Extended E-9 configuration. I'm curious... what do you copedant wizards think?
Last edited by Brandon Schafer on 10 Apr 2018 1:48 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 1 Feb 2018 2:47 pm
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I'm staying with my universal but I've on occasion pondered what-all to do with all those pedals on an Ext. E9 if one were to convert. Final conclusion: "there are way too many pedals."
I've got a loaded setup (8 + 8) and all my energy went into finding the right pedal & lever combinations on the E9 side. On an Ext. setup, after Franklin (which I can't even do because of the B string split screws) I just don't know. That's actually one of the advantages of Ext. --- you don't need such a loaded setup.
Shorter answer --- beats me. |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2018 4:22 pm
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Learn basic 1-4-5 in B6th with pedals 5&6.
I am unclear of the advantage of extended E9th?
Just take 2 strings of and throw in the towel.
I like a little 6th but not enough to lug a double neck around. |
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Brandon Schafer
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2018 4:42 pm
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So, here's my story on why I'm "over" the universal. I have experience with extended E9 and truly value the low E it affords you. I don't really play C6 well and certainly don't need it for the gigs I play. I have a double 12 Emmons if I want to futz with C6 at home.
The extra low strings on a universal sound like crap at the volume we play at and don't serve our songs. I just want to hit the same low E the guitar player can, no lower.
This is my story and I'm sticking to it! If nothing else, I may remove 2 pedals and do a split Franklin pedal set up. I haven't thought of anything more crafty, hence my post. |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 1 Feb 2018 4:48 pm
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| Brandon Schafer wrote: |
The extra low strings on a universal sound like crap at the volume we play at and don't serve our songs. I just want to hit the same low E the guitar player can, no lower.
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I dig the Universal and I dig learning the B6 but re: what you're saying.... I totally get it. |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 1 Feb 2018 7:23 pm
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Getting the right vibe with a U-12 can be a challenge. It has a dynamic range so dialing in a balance with the high strings, mid an low is delicate.
With that said, I love the U-12 |
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Pat Chong
From:
New Mexico, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2018 9:20 pm
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As a suggestion for another pedal, would be one that raises your E strings to F#. It helps to slide from the 4 chord into the 2 chord (or back) quite smoothly. It extends the range of the 2 minor chord through all the grips one normally uses. Also adds extra notes or accent to your playing. Just a thought.........
..............Pat |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2018 10:05 pm
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I suggest:
1) move A B C inward to pedals 2, 3, 4
2) lower strings 6 and 11 G# to G on pedal 1, and raise string 3 G# to A
3) lower string 12 E to D on pedal 4 (the C pedal)
4) remove the half-stop on the string 2 so that it stops very firmly at D.
5) lower string 2 D# to C# and string 9 D to C# on pedal 5
6) lower string 12 E to C# on your F lever.
7) remove pedals 6 and 7 - you don't need them
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Brandon Schafer
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2018 9:49 am
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Thank you, Pat and b0b!
b0b - That's some good food for thought! I think that'd be a lot more fun for my application than the current universal setup it has.
To be clear on one point, you're saying with the "F" lever, take strings 4 and 8 to F (from E) and drop the 12th string E to C#. Correct?
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Eric Dahlhoff
From:
Point Arena, California
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Posted 2 Feb 2018 12:05 pm ex E9
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I think there's a typo in the chart - P2 should raise #5 & #10 to C# (not #9 & #12)
You might think about not lowering #12 to Eb. It's nice to have the low E and the higher Eb for a Maj7 chord.
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Brandon Schafer
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2018 12:14 pm
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You're right, Eric - that is a typo.
Good catch. I guess I threw it together too quickly.  |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2018 1:08 pm
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| Brandon Schafer wrote: |
Thank you, Pat and b0b!
b0b - That's some good food for thought! I think that'd be a lot more fun for my application than the current universal setup it has.
To be clear on one point, you're saying with the "F" lever, take strings 4 and 8 to F (from E) and drop the 12th string E to C#. Correct? |
Correct. I agree with Eric that the low E to D# isn't a good idea. Also, on P3 I'd raise the 11th string G# to A instead of lowering the 10th.
I wouldn't change the 12th string E on P2. The low E is really nice with pedals down. That's why I put the C# on the F lever.
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Brandon Schafer
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2018 1:19 pm
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Great feedback, gentlemen! Thank you!
Let's try this one on for size. I think I've got it now.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2018 1:54 pm
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Looks good to me. I'd swap RKL and LKR because that's where my reflexes are. Functionally it doesn't make much difference. Whatever you're comfortable with.
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Brandon Schafer
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2018 2:07 pm
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| Thanks so much, b0b! |
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2018 7:47 pm 7+5Universal-Change to Extended E9 pedal suggestion
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| With a GFI if you come up with any unused pedals all you will need to do, Loosen the set screw on the plug that holds the pedals in the groove on the pedal bar, And remove the extra cross rods to make a cleaner lighter guitar. Be sure to store them safely for the future. Good Luck on the adventure. |
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Andy DePaule
From:
Saigon, Viet Nam & Springfield, Oregon
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Posted 3 Feb 2018 5:40 pm A cool pedal change
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A cool pedal change I have on two of my E9th steels is a pedal that raises the first string to G# and the second strong to E. Makes for good useful unisons as well as just sounding very cool when you pedal them in and out.
I keep my second string in C# and raise it so on that pedal it's a one and a half step jump, kind of wild, but also sounds good if going from D# to E.
Also change that second string to D/Eb on a knee lever when needed.
On one of my PSG's I also lower my 6th string G# to F# on that pedal for another dominant 7th chord (When used together with lowering the E's to Eb).
That's my 2ΓΒ’ worth and a good value at that price! 
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2017 Mullen SD-10, G2 5&5 Polished Aluminum covering. Custom Build for me. Great Steel.
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 3 Feb 2018 8:58 pm
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| Take 'em off. |
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Ryan Knudson
From:
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 4 Feb 2018 2:57 pm
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Brandon,
If you do end up removing pedals and cross shafts, and feel like selling the extra parts, please let me know.
Thanks! |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 4 Feb 2018 3:08 pm
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| When I order a new steel, I get it loaded for bear with pedals and knee lever. ItΓ’β¬β’s a lot easier to take something off rather than adding it. Even if you take off pedals and knee levers, you might get inspired to add one back. |
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Brandon Schafer
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 10 Apr 2018 1:47 pm
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Whelp... It's finally all done! Just played it and it's got a delightful bag of tricks I can actually use.
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 10 Apr 2018 4:39 pm
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Here's my version of it.10 strings....very versatile..
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David Sheads
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 2 May 2018 8:20 am
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This thread has been very helpful as I mull over doing a similar conversion to my GFI U12. Thanks, everyone.
Is this something that I'm likely to be able to set up on my own with basic tools and advice from the forum, or is a conversion like this something that a professional should be handling?
I'm also curious - what are folks' thoughts on the 2-9 half-stop "feel" vs. a mechanical half-stop, and is that (the mechanical half-stop) something I need to get a professional to install if I want it done well, or something I might be able to manage on my own? |
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