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Topic: E9 ext vs U12 |
Jeffrey McFadden
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Posted 24 Apr 2018 12:49 pm |
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I'd be interested if anyone who had experience with the two different approaches to a 12 string PSG, E9 ext and U-12, could address the differences in playing, harmonies, scale accessibility, or whatever seems relevant to comparing them.
This is in the realm of "far off maybe, not happening tomorrow." But I do think about it from time to time.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Jeff Harbour
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Western Ohio, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2018 3:30 am
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Also, don't forget to add that the U-12 approach has two variations... There is what I would call the Newman Approach (E9 that becomes B6), and the Anderson Approach (Bb6 that becomes Eb9).
Overall, if I had only one neck with twelve strings I believe the universal tunings offer far more musical possibilities than adding a low end to the E9.
Oh yeah... I don't want to add confusion, but there is yet another possibility. That's the Zane Beck 12-string Approach, which is an all-inclusive E9/E6 tuning. |
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Chris Brooks
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Providence, Rhode Island
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Posted 25 Apr 2018 4:13 am
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I love the extended E 9. I wouldn't give up the 9th string D.
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George Kimery
From:
Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2018 5:30 am Ex E9 vs. U 12
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| When I was strickly an E9 player, I got the bright idea to have my U 12 converted to an ex E 9th. For me, this was a big mistake. All I ever got out of it was some rhythm stuff and being able to do Folsom Prison riff. I also killed the resale value of the guitar. Just didn't work for me but that doesn't mean it won't work for you. |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 25 Apr 2018 5:54 am
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| Chris Brooks wrote: |
| I love the extended E 9. I wouldn't give up the 9th string D. |
That's what it boils down to. I hadn't been playing long enough before I switched to uni to become wedded to the 9th string D, but I do like the B6 grips to be uninterrupted in that area. So I use a choice of Ds got by lowering 8 or raising 9 (which is now a B of course).
If I'd played E9 all my life I probably wouldn't accept that.
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Douglas Schuch
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Valencia, Philippines
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Posted 25 Apr 2018 6:01 am
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The best suggestion I can make is to go to sites like Greg Cutshaw's (http://www.gregcutshaw.com/) and start playing the sound files - both songs and licks. If you like the western swing stuff and other stuff that is typically played with C6 (or B6, or Bb6) then you should probably get a U-12 or a D-10. If, on the other hand, you really only like the honky-tonk, blues, and rock-style riffs you get easily with E9, then stay with a single-neck or consider an extended (if you feel you are missing some stuff on the bass side).
However, keep in mind that every standard E9 guitar has C6 built into it - just lower the E's. There are some who can play amazing swing stuff on the E9 neck (Milo Deering comes to mind). But, the C6 on pedal steel is NOT just a tuning - like E9, it has a variety of pedals and levers typically associated with it that opens up the tuning for a wide range of chords and scales that fit with the music the neck was traditionally associated with.
I think I played my Stage One about 6 months before I realized I really liked the big chords available with C6 for Western Swing, Jazz, etc. So I bought a Uni. 3 years later I decided to switch to D-10 in order to get more options with pedals/levers, and how I could place them. And that has stuck! I think I will be a D-10 player from here on out.
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Lyle Dent
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Little Rock ,Arkansas
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Posted 25 Apr 2018 1:15 pm U-12
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Jeffery, if your really exploring 12 string tunings look at Zane Beck's, Maurice Anderson's David Wright's and Jr. Knight's tunings. These will give you everything you want in a 12 string tuning to play E9 country or beautiful C6 voicings. I know these tunings have been discussed for years but it would be worth a look!
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 25 Apr 2018 1:26 pm
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It's interesting what Douglas says about trying the uni for a while and then going for the D10. Despite the mechanical advances over the last fifty years, the uni has certainly not rendered the D10 redundant. I started on a D10 and moved to a uni for reasons of weight. But that D10 was old and massive and I wonder if a modern Excel or Williams might not be quite manageable - perhaps I shall go full circle myself one day 
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Jeffrey McFadden
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Missouri, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2018 2:50 pm
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All very interesting comments. Thank you. I probably have more than I can ever master on my D-10 already. My mind wanders, is all. 
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