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Topic: Lockin' tuners |
Daniel Stein
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Glen Allen, Virginia, US
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Posted 18 Jan 2018 4:46 pm |
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just out of curiosity....are there steels with locking tuners?
I wanna upgrade my stage ones tuners to locking one...
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Jack Hanson
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San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2018 6:02 pm
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| Seems like creating a solution for a problem that does not exist. |
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Doug Earnest
From:
Branson, MO USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2018 6:27 pm
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| Is your guitar not staying in tune? As a rule you can't hardly knock a Stage One out of tune. The older ones might be another story as they did have the economy tuners but they did a decent job. |
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 18 Jan 2018 6:49 pm
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Locking tuners don't lock the tuning, they just clamp the string to the tuner post for easier/quicker string changes. Other than that they are just regular tuning machines. They don't have any effect a guitar's relative tuning stability.
It seems like a good idea for a psg, but there are a couple of problems with most of the readily available six string styles. The self-locking type that rely on the rotation of the post to lock the string in place
won't work as psg tuners wind the opposite direction on the post from a six string guitar (over instead of under).
The style with the thumb knobs on the back to lock the string will work, but very awkward to get at them on the inside tuners of a D10, might not work at all on some guitars for strings 1 & 2 on the C neck as they are sometimes very close the step in the top deck. Would probably be fine on an S10 |
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Michael Hill
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2018 7:50 pm
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There are some brands of locking tuners that use a thumb screw on either the top or the bottom. These don't rely on the rotation of the shaft to lock.
Keyless tuners for pedal steel are a type of locking tuner.
Locking tuners are an important feature for me personally. |
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Per Berner
From:
Skovde, Sweden
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Posted 18 Jan 2018 11:15 pm
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| A huge benefit would be much quicker and a lot less fiddly string changes. |
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ajm
From:
Los Angeles
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Posted 19 Jan 2018 8:17 am
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Daniel Stein: "I wanna upgrade my stage ones tuners to locking one..."
Why do you want to do this?
I'm not faulting you for the idea, I'm merely asking what your line of thinking is.
PS- You should have titled your post "Locking", not Lockin'. I say this because anyone in the future that searches the forum for this subject may not see your topic entry.
By the way, this HAS been covered more than once before.
Jack Hanson: "Seems like creating a solution for a problem that does not exist."
Please explain/expand. |
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Brian Henry
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Posted 21 Jan 2018 4:26 pm
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I use nothin but Sperzel locking tuners!
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Brian Henry
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Posted 21 Jan 2018 4:28 pm
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Brian Henry
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Posted 21 Jan 2018 4:29 pm
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I use nothin but Sperzel locking tuners!
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Per Berner
From:
Skovde, Sweden
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Posted 21 Jan 2018 11:30 pm
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| Looks a bit fiddly to get a grip on... |
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Storm Rosson
From:
Silver City, NM. USA
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Posted 22 Jan 2018 6:59 am
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| They aren't "fiddly" as it does not require head bolt torque specs. Just the time and hassle of changing strings/a string, is well worth having them, not to mention better tuning stability. Just my 2 cents. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 22 Jan 2018 7:29 am
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| They aren't "fiddly" as it does not require head bolt torque specs. Just the time and hassle of changing strings/a string, is well worth having them, not to mention better tuning stability. Just my 2 cents. |
How do they give you better tuning stability? You don't hear many that find that their retuning issues are caused by th e string slipping out of the hole on the peg, unless the string was not installed correctly and didn't have enough windings.
That being said, I really do like them for the ease of string. I rebuilt my wife's lap steel, and put locking tuners on it. Stringing it was almost a pleasure. Still goes out of tune occasionally though.
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Storm Rosson
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Silver City, NM. USA
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Posted 22 Jan 2018 7:57 am
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| It has to do with not having several windings of string on the tuner peg. Pretty sure this has been discussed a few times in the past. Think of it as being like a tunerless design. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 22 Jan 2018 8:21 am
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I had a Kline keyless. With temperature changes, rubbing hands across the strings, it would occasionally go out of tune, which I attributed to the string expanding and contracting as they warm up and sit idle at breaks. Stretching and releasing from pedals could also be part of that. If the string is wrapped correctly around the peg, there should be no issues at the tuner.
But I do like the locking tuners though. I may put some on my new Mullen SD12 if have some extra money laying around. They were an impossibility on my Carter D10 as the keys between necks were too close together. I wanted to put some on there.
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