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Topic: The Caucasian Clap |
Joachim Kettner
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Posted 21 May 2017 6:26 am |
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Has anybody else heard that expression or did I dream it up. Jt's supposed to fit when people clap on the first instead of the second beat.
I recall that Neil Young stopped singing when the audience did this, probably because it threw him off. Here's an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1kwouW6ZHg
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Brooks Montgomery
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Posted 21 May 2017 7:25 am
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you're opening this up to ex-wife jokes......
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 21 May 2017 7:56 am
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Jerry Hayes
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Posted 21 May 2017 8:13 am
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I thought this thread was going to be about a social disease that only white people got....JH in Va.
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Andy Jones
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Mississippi
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Posted 21 May 2017 8:29 am
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I used to play mandolin in a very good Bluegrass band years ago.I absolutely hated it when people started clapping.The setting was usually quiet and you could hear each other well until the clapping started.It would have been better if people were in time,but that was not to be.Clapping always sucked unless the song was over,IMHO.
Sort of like going to a concert to hear someone you really liked and all you could hear was clapping and screaming. |
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 21 May 2017 8:30 am
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Yes Jerry you got it. Caucasian is often used for the white race.
Listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--qv9SI6vws
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Rick Barnhart
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 21 May 2017 8:45 am
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Haha, I think Jerry meant the other word, Joachim.😂
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 21 May 2017 8:59 am
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Should this be in Humour now? I was expecting more serious answers, except Andy. Nobody heard of this before? And I don't mean the decease, whatever mean thing this is. 
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Rick Barnhart
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 21 May 2017 9:12 am
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Maybe the subtle humor doesn't translate across the pond. In any case, Connick is an amazingly talented musician. Smooth how he recognized the off-count beat and corrected it.
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 21 May 2017 9:16 am
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 21 May 2017 11:52 am
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There is a great video of Harry Connick Jr. Playing in France where the soulless clapping is going on, and he actually turns the beat around to make the claps on 2 and 4. It was fantastic!
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Jeff Garden
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Center Sandwich, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 21 May 2017 12:28 pm
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Lots of people seem to be blessed(?) with "syncopated constipated clapping disorder" - watch the Grand Ol' Opry audience sometime in a "clap-along".
Brad Paisley's song "Alcohol" describes a remedy for those with timing problems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXxomeId_dw
(alcohol) "Been makin' the bars lots of big money,
And helping white people dance." |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 22 May 2017 4:54 am
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I'm familiar with it, Joachim, but you're the first to give it a name.
Somebody told me that there are upbeat people and downbeat people.
BJ Thomas' band seemed to be struggling with the competition for the downbeat. Seems the audience was following itself.
When Connick added a beat, it seemed the clapping became a little smarter, following a stronger downbeat.
Masterful little bit of trickery, and the audience was happified even if they didn't grasp what he did. It was smooth manipulation.
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Bryan Staddon
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Buffalo,New York,
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Posted 22 May 2017 5:48 am There is a cure!
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As your Doctor, I recommend 3 hours a day of James Brown music,
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 22 May 2017 6:13 am
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... and don't call me in the morning.
Seriously, I imagine I was a boy when I discovered how the Caucasian kids clapped--they're all standing around the dance floor--
and how the folks from the other side of town did it. Their bodies are moving, swaying, bouncing on the downbeat
and clapping on the back.
It's particularly noticeable in gospel music; imagine an audience of downbeat people and upbeat people getting together on that.
Yeah, James Brown did a lot teaching white people how to dance.
He had the Beatles singing "It's got a back beat you can't lose it...." Or was that somebody else or all of us?
Consider the giant back beat of reggae music. Everybody drop....
Try clapping on the downbeat of that without feeling totally self-conscious.
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Barry Blackwood
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Joachim Kettner
From:
Germany
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Posted 22 May 2017 7:40 am
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but you're the first to give it a name.
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As I said I've seen that term before, Charlie. Maybe in some of the comments for Mr. Connick's Boogie.
Good link, Barry.
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 22 May 2017 9:23 am
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Great link. Polka is pretty downbeat. Polka bands would hate it if you clapped on 2 and 4. You'd be bustin the vibe.
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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Posted 22 May 2017 11:15 am
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I just clap randomly regardless of the beat. It keeps everyone on their toes.
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Joe Ribaudo
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New Jersey, USA
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Posted 23 May 2017 9:52 am
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Next time this happens, stomp your foot on 1 & 2. This will trigger the dormant Hill-Billy gene and they will begin clapping on 2 & 4.
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Craig Stock
From:
Westfield, NJ USA
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Posted 23 May 2017 7:01 pm
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Yes Joe, and then just add more Cowbell!
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Glenn Suchan
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 24 May 2017 10:42 am
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Another fun thing to do is to invite your caucasian-clapper audience to clap along to a 3/4 time song. Most likely, they'll just clap on the 1 and be lost for two beats.
In such cases, I like to clap on the 2 and 4 of 4/4 time. The people clapping near me look at me like I just arrived from Jupiter. 
Keep on pickin'!
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Chris Walke
From:
St Charles, IL
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Posted 2 Jun 2017 7:34 am
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The "live" Elton John track Bennie & the Jets is a great example...I heard in an interview that they overdubbed the concert sounds and had the audience clapping on the wrong beat...because that's what an audience does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5rQHoaQpTw |
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Gord Cole
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 8 Jun 2017 11:13 am Play a Sousa march...it'll work! :)
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2017 8:00 pm
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One of several humorous parts of the Bill Kreutzmann Deady book was his explanation of WHY they were a good backup band for Bob Dylan. It seems like their own "bluesman" Pigpen had a habit of stopping and restarting his somewhat randomized blues shouting at... ANY old time, so the Dead learned how to add and subtract a beat or two or two-and-a-half as needed. And when they intentionally toured with Bob Dylan in 1987, he was kind of weaning himself OFF some spiritual trip or seven of them with the help of hard liquor. Not only was he adding, subtracting and warping beats, he was "singing" lyrics from one song in another song, randomizing chord changes, even with Bob AND Jerry whispering the next verse into Bob's ear he might do something else. Maybe that where Garcia learned to do it himself a bit later on?  |
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