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Topic: Sho-Bud Baldwin Crossover |
Cameron Kerby
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Posted 16 Apr 2017 6:36 pm |
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I've recently had the opportunity to trade on a Sho-Bud Crossover and was wondering if anyone could answer a few questions I Have. So the research I've done on them (all on the forum archive), describes them as a less than desirable model but could be one of the best looking Buds IMO. This guitar is a 6X1, which is definitely not what I'm used to playing. How difficult would it be to change the copedent to a more modern setup? Are these Rack-n-Barrel guitars and what does that actually mean? And lastly, what might a guitar like this might be worth?
Any info on these is helpful, I'm a big fan of steel history
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Edward Rhea
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Medford Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 16 Apr 2017 7:23 pm
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I just don't see that you'd gain anything, trading your Super Pro for a Crossover(if that's what you're implying?), that may have a ton of problems...maybe disappointment? Stick with the one you got...get it overhauled if it needs, it'll be a better investment!
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Cameron Kerby
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Rutledge, TN
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Posted 16 Apr 2017 7:30 pm
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Its actually a trade on other gear, not my Super Pro.
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Craig A Davidson
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Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 11:41 am
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| Cameron I have been told that adding knee levers can be a challenge but can be done. I have a friend near here that owns one and they do sound good. They have a rack and barrel changer system which is what causes the headaches of adding knees. if you can play like Mooney with both feet on the pedals you will probably like it. |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 11:45 am
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Cameron,
I think I'd pass.  |
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Lindell Thomas
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Texas, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2017 5:23 pm
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| I owned a ShoBud Baldwin Crossover for a very brief time. It hadthree knees, the orininal and two sloppily installed. Like you I read a lot of negative things. As a new player I was scared of it and sold it quickly. The guitar was in good condition and had georgeous tone. The crossover mechanism worked fine and i had no problem figuring out the rack and barrell part of it. If you're really knowledgeable about steel guitars and how they work and if you're adept at tinkering or fixing them, you might enjoy it. Ricky Davis is the expert. Otherwise, Erv's advice is solid. |
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2017 5:37 pm
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Thanks Lindell; but I'm not an expert on the crossover; simply because I turn them down, anytime someone wants me to work on them in any way..ha....
Ricky
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Andy DePaule
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Saigon, Viet Nam & Springfield, Oregon
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Posted 29 Apr 2017 6:49 am My old cross over
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Hi Cameron,
Back about 1978 I bought a crossover with 7&1.
Soon learned how useless the so many pedals and so few knee levers were on E9th.
Ended up stripping out the crossover stuff so it worked like any other guitar with two pedals working the E9th neck and the other 5 on the C6th and the one knee working both necks.
That left me with the racks, barrels and pull rods from the unused four E9th side.
I rigged those up to operate 4 knee levers only on the E9th. Then put the 4th string E to F# on my RKR where I still like it and have used it on every steel I've had since.
That made it a totally up to date instrument that had real nice tone too.
Think I had that until about 1984 but can't remember now who I even sold it too or why??? The years are hard on the memory.
You can get the Sho Bud style knee levers from Wild Horse as well as some other parts you may need to rig it up; http://www.psgparts.com/Pull-Rods_c7.htm
Michael is a great guy to deal with who makes wonderful parts.
I found this old photo of me playing it about 1981, or 60 pounds less ago.
Thats my weight, not the Bud which was heavy before and after, but my back was stronger then too. Ha ha ha, 
Good luck,
Andy
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Inlaid Star Guitar 2006 by Mark Giles. SD-10 4+5 in E9th; http://luthiersupply.com/instrument-gallery.html
2017 Mullen SD-10, G2 5&5 Polished Aluminum covering. Custom Build for me. Great Steel.
Clinesmith Joaquin Murphy style Aluminum 8 String Lap Steel Short A6th.
Magnatone Jeweltone Series Lap Steel, Circa 1950? 6 String with F#minor7th Tuning.
1956 Dewey Kendrick D-8 4&3, Restoration Project.
1973 Sho~Bud Green SD-10 4&5 PSG, Restoration Project.
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David Mitchell
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Tyler, Texas
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Posted 30 Apr 2017 4:24 am
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| They had nice lacquer bodies. You could always gut it and modify the endplate to accept modern 2/2 changer actuators and build a decent undercarriage for it. How much is a Sho-Bud body worth? |
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Andy DePaule
From:
Saigon, Viet Nam & Springfield, Oregon
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Posted 30 Apr 2017 7:06 am Sho Bud Bodies
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Hi David,
Sho Bud Bodies are easy to make with a basic wood working shop.
It's the wood that costs a lot if you want something special.
The upper decks and rear apron are 3/4" just as the lumber often comes. The front apron is thinned at about 5/8" in my memory is working right?
However very easy to copy if you want to replace one with nicer wood.
Best wishes,
Andy
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Inlaid Star Guitar 2006 by Mark Giles. SD-10 4+5 in E9th; http://luthiersupply.com/instrument-gallery.html
2017 Mullen SD-10, G2 5&5 Polished Aluminum covering. Custom Build for me. Great Steel.
Clinesmith Joaquin Murphy style Aluminum 8 String Lap Steel Short A6th.
Magnatone Jeweltone Series Lap Steel, Circa 1950? 6 String with F#minor7th Tuning.
1956 Dewey Kendrick D-8 4&3, Restoration Project.
1973 Sho~Bud Green SD-10 4&5 PSG, Restoration Project. |
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David Mitchell
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Tyler, Texas
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Posted 30 Apr 2017 7:15 am
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| Andy I use to work in my dad's cabinet shop. We had a Casey saw that turned at 2200 rpm's and ran on a steel track to make perfect no splinter cuts and datto joints but I've always had a fear of sawing my fingers off then what good would the body do me. |
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Andy DePaule
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Saigon, Viet Nam & Springfield, Oregon
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Posted 30 Apr 2017 7:28 am Good point
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Good point,
There are many guys who were very good woodworkers, but had an accident.
I'm semi retired now but always had a good fear and respect for machines.
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Inlaid Star Guitar 2006 by Mark Giles. SD-10 4+5 in E9th; http://luthiersupply.com/instrument-gallery.html
2017 Mullen SD-10, G2 5&5 Polished Aluminum covering. Custom Build for me. Great Steel.
Clinesmith Joaquin Murphy style Aluminum 8 String Lap Steel Short A6th.
Magnatone Jeweltone Series Lap Steel, Circa 1950? 6 String with F#minor7th Tuning.
1956 Dewey Kendrick D-8 4&3, Restoration Project.
1973 Sho~Bud Green SD-10 4&5 PSG, Restoration Project. |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 1 May 2017 7:02 am
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If I was to go to all the trouble of coming up with a new cabinet, I would go with Mark Giles.
He does some outstanding work what with inlays and finishing.
I couldn't begin to match his artistry. |
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Andy DePaule
From:
Saigon, Viet Nam & Springfield, Oregon
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Posted 1 May 2017 7:32 am Mark is great
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Mark is great.
We collaborated on my Dragon Steel years ago and it's still a great PSG.
I sent him the Figured Claro Black Walnut.
He built the cabinet and neck and sent them back to me.
I did the fret board inlay on the neck and had the guys in my workshop near Saigon help me with the body inlays.
Then sent the cabinet back to Mark in Texas where he and his partner finished the guitar for me.
It was delivered in January of 2006 and has been my main guitar ever since.
Now I just got my new Mullen so that may retire the Star Guitar Dragon PSG to the living room as my practice instrument. It still operates very well.
The Dragon Steel Mark built and I inlaid; 
The new Mullen that arrived last Monday; http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=315555
Then I also bought the wonderful Promat D-10 Push Pull from Damir about 6 weeks ago and have the Sho Bud I re-built last year so I have 4 PSG's more than I can play at any one time....   
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Inlaid Star Guitar 2006 by Mark Giles. SD-10 4+5 in E9th; http://luthiersupply.com/instrument-gallery.html
2017 Mullen SD-10, G2 5&5 Polished Aluminum covering. Custom Build for me. Great Steel.
Clinesmith Joaquin Murphy style Aluminum 8 String Lap Steel Short A6th.
Magnatone Jeweltone Series Lap Steel, Circa 1950? 6 String with F#minor7th Tuning.
1956 Dewey Kendrick D-8 4&3, Restoration Project.
1973 Sho~Bud Green SD-10 4&5 PSG, Restoration Project.
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Andy DePaule
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Saigon, Viet Nam & Springfield, Oregon
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Posted 1 May 2017 7:45 am When we met...
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I met Mark at a luthiers show on the east coast about 2004.
We got to talking and when I learned he built PSG's I told him of my dream to have a pearl and abalone inlaid PSG.
He was the first person I'd met who was doing inlays in PSG's and I have a company that makes inlays for luthiers so we became friends.
I know he does cabinet work for many of the steel companies.
Like everybody says, he's a top notch guy in every way.
And thats my 2¢ worth.
Andy
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Inlaid Star Guitar 2006 by Mark Giles. SD-10 4+5 in E9th; http://luthiersupply.com/instrument-gallery.html
2017 Mullen SD-10, G2 5&5 Polished Aluminum covering. Custom Build for me. Great Steel.
Clinesmith Joaquin Murphy style Aluminum 8 String Lap Steel Short A6th.
Magnatone Jeweltone Series Lap Steel, Circa 1950? 6 String with F#minor7th Tuning.
1956 Dewey Kendrick D-8 4&3, Restoration Project.
1973 Sho~Bud Green SD-10 4&5 PSG, Restoration Project. |
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