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Topic: Steels selling to Europeans |
tom anderson
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 10:19 am |
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| While I all for a global economy, and think it is wonderful we can buy & sell throughout the world because of the internet, I noticed a Zum steel sold yesterday to a fellow in Denmark I believe in less than 2 hours. With the current exchange rate between the euro & the dollar, he probably paid the equivilant of $300/$400.00 less than we could have in the United States, & it was scooped up so fast I didn't even see it until after it was a done deal. Maybe sellers should consider a euro surcharge until the dollar regains some of it's strength. I have some reservations on posting this because I don't like stirring up some of the anti-european sentiment that I sometimes read on this forum, but do feel at a disadvantage. |
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Klaus Caprani
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Copenhagen, Denmark
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 10:24 am
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Hmmmmm! I can see your point, but are you aware what the shipping of something as heavy as a PSG to Europe is?
I think that we'll bleed anyway.
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Klaus Caprani
MCI RangeXpander S-10 3x4
www.klauscaprani.com
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 10:25 am
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| And how about import duty? |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 10:28 am
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| he probably paid the equivilant of $300/$400.00 less than we could have in the United States |
What? I'm sure Dag paid the full $1800. |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 10:55 am
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it would be unfair to hike the prices up to compensate for the €uro bein' stronger than the $
every once in a while somebody gets a turn to ride a wave.
For decades the US $ was strong and we had to deal w: that.
i previously mentioned on a similar thread, that the current exchange rate permits us here in Europa to get Steels and other gear for pretty much the same prices Americans pay and covering shipping costs and partly some of the custom duties.
please understand that custom duties vary between 20 and 35 %
that's a piece of change !
So please don't start raisin' prices just cause the €uro is doin' better than the $
it was'nt always like that.
i hope you've also noticed that Dag has ongoing relations w: Zums and he'll buy 'em up quick !
(and i'm not at all complainin' bout that dig !?)
Zums don't last long when they're put 4 sale anyway right ?
jes make sure ya' draw................quick ! |
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Jan Mulder
From:
The Netherlands
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 10:59 am
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I bought a 94 Emmons D10 (8x6) 6 months ago on Ebay, and I paid 2350 US Dollar for this guitar, but shipping to Holland cost me 350 US Dollar and Import taxes in Holland is 600 US Dollar, so the total cost for this Emmons was 3300 US dollar
Emmons D10 Peavey NV 400 + Session 400 ProFexII Hilton pedal Peterson VS2
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Glenn Austin
From:
Montreal, Canada
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 11:09 am
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| This is the funniest thing that I have read on here in a while. ROTFLMAO or something like that !..... Thanks Tom |
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 11:10 am
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| I have enjoyed going across our north and south borders to enjoy food at a great price; meeting wonderful people. I think the exchange rates keeps the wheels moving and I hope our friends across the "pond" enjoy the discounts and the fine psg that are built here. |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 11:39 am
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The american seller got his price...
So where's the harm.
The only harm I see is griping because the Zum went too fast.
Not a reson to put on protectionist duties.
Which are increasingly illegal....
And please bear in mind that the DOLLAR is so low
because our newly re-elected president has made an active decision to NOT talk up a strong dollar in any normal way. A few vague quiet gestures, but not like other presidents havein recent memory...
It is way down because HE SENT IT DOWN.
Make no mistake about that.
HE WANTS european money comning into the USA ecconomy.. to cover the deficit and the war costs.
Not because europeans want good deals on steels.
So the the european got to finally pay a bit less, GOOD.
they have spent most of the last 15 years paying close to 2 times as much for s steel as you do.
2 years ago....
$3000 steel (It cost you $3150 including shipping)
$300 shipping
VAT tax here 19.6% on $3,300 = $ 646.8
With the euro dollar one to one like two years ago
The cost here WAS $ 3946.8
At the moment $1.35 to the euro
$3000 steel
$300 shipping over seas
2444.444€
tax 479.1111
Cost at his door....
2923.556€
And your griping... HA
And yes this is political...
because the original post was a political slap at the euro steelers finally getting a bit of a break...
it own't last.
[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 12 January 2005 at 11:43 AM.] |
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Pat Irvin
From:
Kansas City, Missouri, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 12:12 pm
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Just to let everyone know. Part of the reason this guitar sold so quickly is that I contacted Dag directly before I ever posted it on the Forum. I knew he was active in the "Zum Market", so I gave him the heads up before anyone else.
I apologize that I did not contact the local steelers first. I live less than a half mile from Leawood, KS where Tom lives. And if he was interested I could have already delivered it. But now it's getting ready for a trip across the pond.
Pat
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 2:25 pm
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I've been buying American-made musical instruments since 1960 - the rule-of-thumb was usually 'one Pound equals one Dollar' by the time the item reached the music-stores on Charing Cross Road. That was when there were almost three Dollars to the Pound, so you can see how much we were paying back then!
Now the Pound's so strong I can hardly afford to visit the Old Country these days....
Console yourselves by remembering just how much petrol costs over there!
RR |
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Allen Peterson
From:
Katy, Texas
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 2:39 pm
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You're right Roger. I think we are a bit spoiled when it comes to paying for petrol. Americans will spend more per litre equivalent on bottled water than they will for gasoline.
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 2:42 pm
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"The American seller got his price...
So where's the harm."
My thoughts exactly.
Would you expect the seller to provide a discount if the exchange rate went the other way?[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 12 January 2005 at 02:44 PM.] |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 3:35 pm
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Not likely... nope...
And gas is $5.75 a gallon |
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Dag Wolf
From:
Bergen, Norway
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 4:25 pm
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This is real funny... The last time the $ was this low for us to buy, were about 8 years ago.
Sooo.... I could see it as I paid too much for stuff bought in the US when the $ were 50% higher.... 
I tried to buy this Zum about 18 months ago but Pat wouldn`t sell at that time.
Dag |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 12 Jan 2005 4:32 pm
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| I'm with Glenn. And Dag--you can arrange for that rebate directly from Tom. |
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Per Berner
From:
Skovde, Sweden
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Posted 13 Jan 2005 12:22 am
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This is what applies when importing a steel to Sweden:
Let's say it costs $ 2,000. Insured door-to-door shipping is about $ 300, customs duties around$ 100, and sales tax (VAT) another $ 600. All in all $ 3,000.
Not such a fantastic bargain anymore, huh?
Just because the dollar was outrageously expensive a year or two ago, doesn't make it cheap now.
By the way, you are getting one heck of a deal on European cars, despite the current exchange rate. A $ 45,000 Volvo XC90 V8 costs around $ 80,000 over here, where it's built! And gas is $ 5 a gallon over here, and more like $ 6.50 in the UK... so who are the lucky ones? |
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Ron !
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Posted 13 Jan 2005 12:40 am
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Tom
If you had the money and the opportunity.
Would you not do the same??
Ron
Nikaro SD10 4x6
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Billy Murdoch
From:
Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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Posted 13 Jan 2005 4:14 am
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Tom,
Am I reding your post correctly?
If you had a steel for sale you would be quite happy to recieve the asking price in USA currency as long as it was being purchased by a fellow American.
However if a European was to purchase you would want more money?
Sounds like you do'nt like Europeans.
If the economic situation were the other way around would you accept less than your asking price from a European?
Or do you just not like Europeans?
Best regards
Billy
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John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 13 Jan 2005 5:19 am
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| Any effect they have on your ability to pay the asking price for someone's a used item is basically negligable. |
Gee I wish that were really so...
or I would have an S-12 now... |
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James Quackenbush
From:
Pomona, New York, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2005 6:30 am
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I have to agree with some of what is said on this topic......First come , first serve....
It's been that way as long as I can remember ....I also believe that if the seller got his price, and is happy , then no harm done.... I know from scanning this forum that if I were going to sell a Zum , that Dag would be the first one I would contact ....If I had contacted him, and he said he wanted my Zum, I would NOT have posted it on the forum .... If he wasn't sure if he wanted it , or said that he didn't want it, then I would have posted it .... Bottom line, if you have Zum for sale, it's not very hard to sell it ....It's a 1 1/2 year wait for a new one last I heard, and worth every minute of it I might add....GREAT steel .....Jim |
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 13 Jan 2005 9:59 am
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| I had the opportunity to travel world wide during my years in the military and I found that most people on this planet have the same wants and needs (my opinion), work, play, taking care of their families etc. The differences I experienced was usually their governments' policies. I found most to be friendly and hospitable; heck after a couple of drinks we all had a good time. We're all on the same rock guys. |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 13 Jan 2005 2:22 pm
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| Charles.. DITTO for sure. |
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tom anderson
From:
leawood, ks., usa
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Posted 13 Jan 2005 4:22 pm
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Hey everyone  ,
Thanks for all the input. I'm over it now. Point taken! |
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