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Topic: C6 Copedent question |
Didi Waechtler
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Posted 27 Dec 2016 9:22 am |
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Hi Steelforummembers,
I have two steelguitars D-10 with different C6 copedent's. One is a old ZUM8/8 and the other is a Little SGI8/4.
The ZUM have some Actions more Actions than the SGI.
Maybe there's a lot wrong in my Setup?
I like to get normal playable Standard C6 Setups. I'm not so good in C6 Knowledge and a bit confused. Please tell me your ideas about actions: what I should change, what I need to add and what's totally wrong in my two copedent's.
Thank you all.
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Lane Gray
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Posted 27 Dec 2016 12:58 pm
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The Zum's LKL confuses me. Yes, it's good to raise C to C#, but I (and the late Mike Auldridge, from whom I drew a LOT of inspiration) raise both Cs together, but we do it with the 8th pedal position (but not the standard P8, both of us have a standard pedal on a knee, so that there's a pedal left over: he put P8 on his LKR, and that's where I put P5).
It's also common to raise 6 to F, but that's usually done with a change that lowers 2 to Eb. The LKV also confuses me, as it's basically P5 without the bass strings, but if you added those pulls to the LKV, it might make a really stiff change.
Its LKR is my (and Mike's) RKL. While the asymmetry looks odd, I've not once wished 8 went to Ab or that 4 went to G (but if you wanted to play E9th country sounds, you might want that).
If you moved the 3rd string raise on LKL to a 2nd string lower, I'd say it was a comprehensive setup, although I'd move the A-Bb to the LKV (and probably put P5 on a knee because it eliminates the double-footing of P5/7 and of bouncing between 5 and 8.
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Didi Waechtler
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Gelnhausen, Hessen, Germany
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Posted 27 Dec 2016 1:39 pm
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Lane Thanks for your thoughts.
I think my Steeltech.have to do some changes.All ZUM Kneelevers need reasonable actions. The SGI C6 is almost like the Emmons Setup. |
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Jeff Garden
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Center Sandwich, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2016 1:58 pm
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| Maybe the copedent on that neck was originally set up with a G string on top instead of a D, Jim? |
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Didi Waechtler
From:
Gelnhausen, Hessen, Germany
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Posted 27 Dec 2016 2:40 pm
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| Jim and Jeff, sorry that was a mistake in Notation. The topstring and Action in the SGI ist D raise to E! |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2016 3:30 pm
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The left knee levers on your Zum are totally wack. The SGI is standard except for that 1st string P5 change (bad idea - remove it). Some people don't raise both C's to C# on RKR, but many do.
To get the Zum back to something normal, I recommend:
RKR: Raise 3rd string C to C#, maybe 7th string too (same as on the SGI).
LKL: lower 4th string A to G#
LKV: lower 2nd string E to Eb, raise 6th string E to F
LKR: raise 4th string A to Bb
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 27 Dec 2016 3:50 pm
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Why would you ditch the 8th string whole tone drop? It's handy.
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Didi Waechtler
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Gelnhausen, Hessen, Germany
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Posted 28 Dec 2016 2:21 am
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| Hi Bob, Thanks a lot. Now I have a plan to work with. |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 28 Dec 2016 5:22 am
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Raising the 1st string to Eb is useful so that with P6 you have a 7th chord available as well as a 6th. This is usually done on P8 which is otherwise inactive in that area.
Also useful melodically with the 13th chord (P5&6, back a fret) to give the second degree of the scale.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 28 Dec 2016 9:17 am
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| Why would you ditch the 8th string whole tone drop? It's handy. |
Just trying to get more "standard", Lane. I've never noticed that change on anyone else's guitar. I agree that it could be useful, as well as the 9th string raise to G on P4. They just aren't very common.
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