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Topic: What Kind of Sho~Bud is This |
Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 6:06 am |
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Paul Wade
From:
mundelein,ill
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 7:04 am What Kind of ShowBud is This
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Henry,
i am thinking a Sd-10 crossover ??? not sure
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 7:18 am
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Thanks Paul, never seen a changer like that on a Bud or Anything else for that matter. The racks are solid aluminum and the barrels are aluminum in color. It has 3 pedals and all the pulls and lowers for 4 levers but no levers. The top is in almost perfect shape. It's lamented die board looks like or some kind of pressed board. The owner is going to put it up for sale I think.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 7:32 am
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Henry.
I have NEVER seen a changer like that on a Sho~Bud.
Some of the other features on the guitar also put doubts in my mind that it is 100% Sho~Bud. |
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 7:37 am
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Don't think it is either Erv but it's mostly ShoBud but that changer is strange. Never seen one like that.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 7:48 am
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Yes, it sure is a different design, kind of interesting, though.  |
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forrest klott
From:
Grand Rapids Mi USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 8:21 am
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Howdy,
Back in the early '90's I had one nearly identical. It was a crossover that had been converted to a SD10 from D10. It had the same changer in it. If memory serves correctly there are more than one hole in the fingers to put the strings thru. I know for sure it's not my old guitar because the one I had was re-finished by the guy I got it from and was candy apple red.
Interesting to see one like it again, perhaps one of the Sho~Bud gurus will chime in.
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J R Rose
From:
Keota, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 10:47 am
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Interesting changer Henry. Rollers under each string at the changer end. Are their rollers at the top end also? I think it is a good design but maybe not since no one has kept on building it. Cost could be a factor also. Let us know how it plays. Thanks, J.R. Rose
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NOTHING..Sold it all. J.R. Rose |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 12:33 pm
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| J R Rose wrote: |
| Interesting changer Henry. Rollers under each string at the changer end. Are their rollers at the top end also? I think it is a good design but maybe not since no one has kept on building it. Cost could be a factor also. Let us know how it plays. Thanks, J.R. Rose |
Hey J.R., don't think I'm going to work on it and get it playing. The owner just wants to sell it so may post it in a day or two. Would be a very good project for someone. I'll be it would sound good.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 12:38 pm
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2016 8:37 pm
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Here's some more pics. Still a strange changer, it pulls straight, not twist like a regular all pull. The pedals are easy feeling.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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J R Rose
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Keota, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2016 10:00 am
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My, My Henry, What a machine!! One of a kind no doubt. It does seem to have some Sho-Bud engineering but I have never seen anything like it. Have you been able to get any history on it yet? Would sure like to know. Maybe John Billings can enlighten us some? Thanks, J.R.
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NOTHING..Sold it all. J.R. Rose |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2016 3:29 pm
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I think it's made from the first iteration of the Crossover. Right after the Fingertips? Like 1965? Hope Ricky chimes in, because he's seen a lot more Shobuds than I have. But I think it's legit.
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
'52 and '56 Pro Amps |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2016 3:38 pm
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Is it Rick Abbot that has the really old Crossover? I wonder what changers are on his?
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
'52 and '56 Pro Amps |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2016 4:40 pm
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I really don't know much of the Crossover series; baldwin or not. I NEVER received any to work on over my 20 years of doing restoration work; as I always told the customer; I did NOT like them at all....So no experience here.
Ricky
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Ricky Davis
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2016 4:45 pm
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Ricky,
My first Bud was Crossover. Played and sounded great on the E neck. Switch over to the C neck and it was great! Switch back to the E neck and everything was out of whack! Unplayable! It was stolen, and I really didn't miss the frustration! Only problem was, whoever stole it also stole my original 1958 Flying V! Now that I missed! And still do! If I had it today, I'd sell it and buy a condo in Florida!
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
'52 and '56 Pro Amps |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2016 7:50 pm
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I think this was a D-10 crossover that has been converted to a single 10. If I remember correct, the guy that had this did have a D-10 crossover and I believe this is the remnants of it. Been years ago.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2016 8:02 pm
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Oh! It's definitely a converted Crossover. But a very early one IMOP.
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
'52 and '56 Pro Amps |
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Bob Muller
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2016 11:08 pm
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| Oh! It's definitely a converted Crossover. But a very early one IMOP. |
I agree that it's a converted crossover, I think I remember speaking to John Coop about this type of changer also. I had a crossover that came with that same case, and had all aluminum pole rods and barrel tuners. The cabinet should be all Maple with a metal frame. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 16 Oct 2016 8:35 am
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| What I want to know is, if you have only one neck and you hit the crossover lever, where does it cross you over to? Twilight Zone? |
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Tommy White
From:
Nashville
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Posted 16 Oct 2016 10:01 am
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| I believe it is an original Sho-Bud crossover changer design. Only a very few with that changer design were built and if I recall correctly, a few of those were 23 inch scale instead of Sho-Bud's usual 24" scale. Interesting for sure. I always liked the crossover. That is what I started on and have owned several. One of my favorite era Lloyd Green tones was when he played a crossover. Which I believe became the first LDG. |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 17 Oct 2016 6:06 am
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Thanks everyone for the info on the guitar.
The cabinet is laminated pressed board of some type. Looks to be all original what parts I have. If it had knee levers, they are missing but everything else seems to be there.
I'll have to tune it up and see how it sounds. Bet it's a killer. Most all the old Sho-Buds were.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 17 Oct 2016 7:21 am
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| It might sound like the MCI with the welded frame. |
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