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Topic: Help! Legrande Tuners going south! |
Mark van Allen
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Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 15 Nov 2004 9:59 am |
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| I know there have been posts about this before, but I can't seem to find 'em- the Shaller tuners on my 97 LeGrande II have been going south fast- they seem to not exactly strip out, but the retaining nuts just aren't the right length or something and will not hold the tuners to the keyhead. I've already bought some replacements from Emmons, but they're way too expensive and getting harder to get hold of on the phone (!). Any suggestions? Are these just regular Shaller M6 minis? I don't want to buy two full sets if I can just get replacements or even new retaining nuts, as the tuners seem to be fine... Anybody have any spares? Thanks. [This message was edited by Mark van Allen on 15 November 2004 at 10:01 AM.] |
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Farris Currie
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Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 15 Nov 2004 10:16 am
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Mark,my Legrand11,had same keys on it,3rd string key went out,check the threads inside,the one i replaced had no threads left inside.key was fine,except just couldn't tighten it.i bought a new one from emmons for 15.00 don't have no real answers,something wrong there somewhere.
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Johnny Harris
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Texas, USA
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 15 Nov 2004 1:13 pm
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You might try calling Emmons. I hear they're pretty good at getting out parts... 
(And might I suggest C.O.D.?)[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 15 November 2004 at 02:43 PM.] |
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Brian Henry
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Posted 15 Nov 2004 1:24 pm
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| Yes! If you want some "nice" parts in a "nice" hurry contact those nice people and all your troubles will be over nicely! |
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Ricky Littleton
From:
Steely-Eyed Missile Man from Cocoa Beach, Florida USA
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Posted 15 Nov 2004 1:44 pm
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Mark:
Really, give 'em call at Emmons and they'll fix you up. Had this same problem about a year ago and they got the new tuners to me in just a few days.
No matter whats beens said so far, I've never had anything but excellent support from the folks there.
Again, thats my experience.
Ricky...
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Emmons LeGrande - 8x4
Session 400 Ltd, Peterson VS-II Tuner
Dan-Echo, E-Bow, Ibanez Distortion, Boss Comp./Sustain, Ibanez Auto-Wah, PX4 Pandoras Box
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Farris Currie
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Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 15 Nov 2004 2:17 pm
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| Mark,call emmons they will take care of your problem,no matter what all has been said they are good people.and you won't have to buy no more than you need. farris |
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Ricky Littleton
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Steely-Eyed Missile Man from Cocoa Beach, Florida USA
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Posted 15 Nov 2004 5:39 pm
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That's a fact Farris!!!
Ricky...
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Emmons LeGrande - 8x4
Session 400 Ltd, Peterson VS-II Tuner
Dan-Echo, E-Bow, Ibanez Distortion, Boss Comp./Sustain, Ibanez Auto-Wah, PX4 Pandoras Box
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Lyle Bradford
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Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 15 Nov 2004 7:46 pm
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| They have been very honest with me and anything I have orderd has been shipped pronto. |
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Jack Strayhorn
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Winston-Salem, NC
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Posted 15 Nov 2004 8:25 pm
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| The schaller tuners are not a stock part. The Emmons Co. had them designed and made especially for them. I can only assume that the Emmons Co. still gets them. I have had a slight problem with one but swapped it with another key. You can put the stripped one where the keyhead has a thinner wall, if it is not completely stripped all the way down. |
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Mark van Allen
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Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 15 Nov 2004 9:15 pm
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| Thanks for all the replies, guys, but here's my dilemna: Most of the keys were fine, and the ones that have gone bad don't seem to be even stripped at all, but rather that the bushing/sleeve threaded nut things are just a minute bit too short. Rick A's suggestion about thinner washers almost cures it, but not quite. I got some replacement nuts, but they're too long. I got several replacement keys from Emmons last year, and they work fine, but were around $22-26 apiece if I remember right, which is way too high to replace the four or five more I need. And it seems they want to give out over time so perhaps I need to re-key the whole guitar. It just seems a waste, when most of them are still fine... grrrr... |
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Johnny Harris
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Texas, USA
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Posted 16 Nov 2004 5:38 am
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Mark,
Is there any certain place on thhe keyhead that the tuner barrel nuts are stripping?
Observing the keyhead on my LeGrande, it appears that the walls are thicker near the roller end than it is at the outer end.Therefore, it would seem that the nut would not thread as deep into the tuner on strings 1,2,3,8,9,10 as it would on 4,5,6,and 7. You might try to move the tuners that the nut will not catch on to the outer end, along with a thinner washer and get some more life out of them.Just a thought.
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 17 Nov 2004 12:10 pm
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Here is a link to an old post.
Click Here
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Nov 2004 10:16 am
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| Mark, I had a similar problem with my Pre-Ultra GFI. I couldn't get any of the tuners to grip the headstock tightly. I had to actually add thicker washers to some of the tuners.But a few were stripped out. I got longer bushings from my luthier. They were way too long, but I cut them down with a Dremel and hand files. A super pain in the butt! The tuners look like Grovers, but are un-marked. I was thinking that they might be Pings. They have a small locating pin that fits into a hole in the peghead. But that hole is a bit too large, and allowed the tuners to swivel quite a bit. I can't tell you how many hours I spent trying to fix all 20 tuners! Good luck, JB |
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