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Gary Cosden
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Posted 11 Mar 2016 10:39 am |
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I bought this amp about five years ago and the owner told me it was really a Blackface amp and not a Silverface as you would think. Frankly I didn’t really believe him and I just assumed he had been fed a line by someone and bought into it. I honestly thought I had bought a Silverface amp. The first thing I did was to ship it off to Ken Fox of Fox Vintage Amps to have him completely go through the amp and optimize the midrange tone control for Pedal Steel, etc.
Ken told me that it was, in fact, an original Blackface circuit and NOT a Silverface circuit that had been “Blackfacedâ€.
Apparently there really was a relatively short period of time when Fender was ready to transition from BlackFace to Silverface and already had Silverface faceplates in stock when they ran out of Blackface faceplates so they did the remainder of the Blackface production run using the new Siverface faceplates.
You can see in the 2nd photo the circuit diagram provided by Ken Fox.
I really love the way this amp sounds. The preamp tubes are about a year old and the 6L6’s came in with a fresh bias about 6 months ago. It should be good to go for the foreseeable future.
I’m selling it because I find that for me it’s either way too much amp or nowhere near enough. I might do something with a singer songwriter and it’s just way more than I need and next play with a local band that’s just plain loud. It just never seems to fit the bill for me and in the last year I’ve had it out maybe twice.
For most people doing country this amp could be just about right but not for me I’m afraid.
I don’t really want a trade and I’m in no hurry. If you know what this amps about and it’s worth it to you make me a realistic offer.
-UPDATE 8-4-2016: One very much like this one recently sold on Ebay for $605.00 + shipping. My FINAL price drop is $650.00 INCLUDING shipping in the CONUS. Thanks for looking.
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Kaare Festvog
From:
Minnesota, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2016 4:16 pm Dual Showman
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| I have one just like it (down to the black lines) but mine has all dates in 1967. These are the same circuit as the BF. The only difference may be one cap in the bias supply that doesn't affect tone. The Silverface Bandmaster also kept the BF circuit for a long time while CBS changed the Bassman 3 times in as many years (AA165, AB165, AC568). A great amp for any kind of music. Warmth, sparkle, killer hand built amps. |
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Tom Wolverton
From:
Carpinteria, CA
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Posted 13 Mar 2016 12:22 am
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If this amp is not loud enough for your current band, I suggest you quit that band. That must be crazy loud. I hope you've got good earplugs.
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2016 3:34 am
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| Great point about earplugs! I use earplugs and have been a believer for years. This is a rock band and it aint getting quieter. This amp comes close but is never enough |
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Tommy Auldridge
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2016 7:05 am Ballpark Price ?
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| I have no idea what this is worth. Seems like it would be a great amp. Can you give me some idea as how much you expect to get for it? I might be interested. Thanks, Tommy...... |
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2016 7:28 am
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Fair question Tommy. I think $750.00 plus shipping would be a reasonable deal all around. As of 7-16-2016 the lower price is $750.00 shipped in the CONUS.
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Lefty
From:
Grayson, Ga.
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 6:17 am
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I have this same exact head. I use it with a 1968 1-15 Showman sound-ring cabinet with a 4 ohm Weber California speaker. It is so loud it will blow the windows out of the house. Sounds like the band needs to turn down. Do you notice a white noise ringing in your ears at night after playing with them?
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Kenny Howard
From:
Salem, OR
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Posted 14 Mar 2016 12:57 pm
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Played thru that amp head all thru college & beyond. It NEVER failed me.
BTW, Dual Showman's are a 4 ohm load.
If you're using an 8 ohm speaker, that could be why it's a little softer than expected. Also, input #2 is low gain vs high gain input #1.
$750 is a very fair price for a DS reconditioned by Ken Fox IMO |
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Chris Boyd
From:
Leonia,N.J./Charlestown,R.I.
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2016 6:08 am
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| This is, of course, a non-reverb amp so you need a pedal. One of the things I like about this amp is that the 2 channels are in phase (unlike the Fender amps that have reverb) so you can use both outputs on your volume pedal. Run one to channel 2 but run the second output through your reverb pedal to channel 1. Now you can control the amount of the effect with the volume of channel 1 AND you have tone controls for your reverb! |
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 20 Mar 2016 6:56 am
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| Gary Cosden wrote: |
| This is, of course, a non-reverb amp so you need a pedal. One of the things I like about this amp is that the 2 channels are in phase (unlike the Fender amps that have reverb) so you can use both outputs on your volume pedal. Run one to channel 2 but run the second output through your reverb pedal to channel 1. Now you can control the amount of the effect with the volume of channel 1 AND you have tone controls for your reverb! |
This is really cool. I've never thought to do this. Thanks for the tip!
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2016 5:22 am
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| This amp deserves a new home! |
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Chris Boyd
From:
Leonia,N.J./Charlestown,R.I.
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2016 6:21 am
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| I pulled out the invoice from Fox amps this morning and I see that I actually bought this amp in 2009 so I've had it for about 7 years and not 5 as I said earlier. Not that it should matter... |
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 10:07 am
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Because its whats inside that counts:
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2016 5:00 am
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2016 5:02 am
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| Bump |
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2016 9:53 am
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| You know you want this. |
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 28 Apr 2016 6:14 am
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| You also NEED this. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 29 Apr 2016 2:06 am
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it's not crazy loud, it's crazy clean. 85 watts of clean pure 4x6L6 tube power .
wonderful amp...
Just a side note, they started using the NEW updated Silverface cosmetics in late 67, this was a market strategy for a new look. The 68's and 69's featured the DRIP edge ( aluminum edge around the grill ) cabinets, both head and speaker cabs. In 70, they dropped the drip edge cosmetics. And yes it is correct that these Showmans used almost the exact same circuits as the earlier BF amps , very mild changes but nothing in the tone stack or power sections.
great amp, someone buy it ! ( 67 owner here)
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steve takacs
From:
beijing, china via pittsburgh (deceased)
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Posted 29 Apr 2016 10:02 pm question for Gary Cosden
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Gary, Cosden,
Wouldyou explain what you mean by:
" One of the things I like about this amp is that the 2 channels are in phase (unlike the Fender amps that have reverb)....."
What do you mean by "in phase"? I should know this but do not. thx, stevet |
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2016 4:04 pm
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Steve I do not claim actual knowledge of the circuitry involved but my understanding is that the reverb part of the fender circuit results in channel 1 being 180 degrees out of phase with channel 2 meaning that when a waveform in one channel is at the top the other channel is more or less at the bottom. Someone with more tech in them could do a much better job of explaining I'm sure.
I am led to believe that it's not the case with the non-reverb fender amps. I know that I can play through both channels of this one with no issue as I've described earlier. |
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 2 May 2016 3:45 pm
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| Every tube preamp stage inverts the signal polarity. Since the reverb mixing circuit involves a tube make-up gain stage the output of the reverb channel is reverse polarity compared to the non-reverb channel. |
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 9 May 2016 6:02 am
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| This week only I will include, at no additional charge, a 3 Lb. wedge of Mama Faroni's Bachiaroni. |
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 21 May 2016 9:54 am
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| You missed out on the bachiaroni but the amp is still available. |
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