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Topic: My New Williams D-12X |
Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Pat Carlson
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Sutton, Nebraska, R.I.P.
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 7:27 pm |
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Looks like a sweet one b0b,enjoy 
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The Lone Prairie Steeler Pat
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 7:29 pm
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b0b-Looks great to me. How much does it weigh out of the case. I imagine the "Crossover" D12 is heavier than the regular D10....al .
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My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 7:40 pm
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I don't know how much it weighs yet. Williams guitars aren't real heavy, though, and the keyless feature makes it a bit lighter because the body is shorter. Here's the copedent: LKL LKV LKR P1 P2 P3 P4 P5 RKL RKR
1 F# +G
2 D# -C# -D
3 G# +A -G
4 E +F +F# -D#
5 B +C# -A#
6 G# +A -G
7 F# +G# + +G
8 E +F -D#
9 D -C#
10 B +C#
11 G# +A -G
12 E -C# -D
LKL LKV LKR P1 P2 P3 P4 P5 RKL RKR
1 G -F# +G#
2 E -Eb +F
3 D
4 C +C# +D -B
5 A -Ab +B +B +Bb
6 G -F#
7 E +F -Eb
8 D -C#
9 C +C#
10 A -Ab +B +Bb
11 F +F# -E
12 C +D -A
LKL LKV LKR P1 P2 P3 P4 P5 RKL RKR [This message was edited by b0b on 10 August 2004 at 10:17 AM.] |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 8:08 pm
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A really beatuful Guitar b0bby. Your copedents are quite interesting. Bill Rudolph spells winner 
May Jesus give you many many hours of joy with your new toy.
A Better Way
carl |
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Roger Shackelton
From:
MINNESOTA (deceased)
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 8:24 pm
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According to the William's website the standard D-10 Keyed 400X PSG weighs 36 lbs. and I believe the D-10 keyless 400X weighs 2 lbs. less. This means that a D-12 400X keyless guitar shouldn't weigh much more than a D-10 keyed guitar.
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Travis Bernhardt
From:
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 11:26 am
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What's your E9 P4 for?
-Travis |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 12:00 pm
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Bob,
You didn't happen to see the guitar that Bill is building for me, did you? In fact he is building two guitars for me, a D-10 two toned lacquer (burnt red & natural) and a SD-10 two toned lacquer (ebony & nautural)?
Erv[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 09 August 2004 at 01:08 PM.] |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 12:27 pm
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It just arrived. UPS shipping weight was 67 lbs. That includes the box, shipping materials, the manual, and a Williams volume pedal.
Pedal 4 on the E9th lowers the 5th string, like Jeff Newman's "X lever". It also lowers the 12th string for D-tuned power chords.
I didn't look at any other guitars at Bill's shop. He keeps everything that's in progress covered up so that it doesn't get damaged.
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 Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6) |
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Peter
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 2:31 pm
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What a great present!
Happy Birthday! 
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Peter den Hartogh
1978 Emmons S10 P/P; 1977 Sho-Bud D10 ProIII Custom;
1975 Fender Artist S10; Remington U12; 1947 Gibson BR4;
Internationally Accredited 3D Animation Academy
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Kevin Mincke
From:
Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 4:41 pm
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Had I known you were in the Twin Cities I'd a bought ya lunch.....Bill too!!
Great looking guitar, maybe I'll have me one someday |
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Don Walters
From:
Saskatchewan Canada
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 5:28 pm
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Never having seen one of these cross-over machines, I have a question: When one neck is engaged are the strings on the other neck dis-engaged from being pulled? I've always disliked the fact that I'm pulling strings on the "other" neck while playing a standard D10.
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 8:49 pm
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Yes, the pedals and levers only pull on one neck at a time. The crossover lever switches all of the pedals and levers from one neck to the other.
I just weighed the guitar with a cheap bathroom scale. Seems to be about 44 pounds.
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Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6) |
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Herman Visser
From:
Rohnert Park, California, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 9:13 pm
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| Hi Bobby, welcome back Looks great!!!!Look forward to hear it play. Hope you bring it to the Santa Rosa Market this month. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 10 Aug 2004 9:10 am
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Hey b0b, I notice those two D strings are the extra ones on the 12 string C6th. That's interesting how you've got them in line. I'm familiar with having the lower one on a guitar. Does anyone else do the higher D like you do or is this your own setup. Either way it's very interesting and shows a lot of thought and I can see how it would be a gas to play this setup...Thanks, JH
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Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning.
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 10 Aug 2004 9:28 am
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Jerry,
Doug Livingston has a similar setup with both D's inline. I like it and find it very intuitive for scales and harmony runs. I've been told that it messes up jazz chords, but since I'm not a jazz player that doesn't bother me at all.
Having the high D on the 3rd string instead of the 1st makes it real easy to do the corniest E9th licks with the first two pedals.
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Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6) |
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Terry Sneed
From:
Arkansas,
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Posted 10 Aug 2004 11:54 am
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Very purty guitar Bob! I can't even figure out what to do with all the strings on my D10, let alone a D12! 
Terry
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84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 12 Aug 2004 10:11 am
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| Bump from the proud papa! |
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Jackie Anderson
From:
Scarborough, ME
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Posted 12 Aug 2004 10:33 am
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| How about some bottom pix? |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 13 Aug 2004 8:38 am
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| Beautiful guitar, b0b. And a very interesting way to get standard E9 and C6 and much more with 5&5. Have fun. |
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Rex Thomas
From:
Thompson's Station, TN
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Posted 13 Aug 2004 11:00 am
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| Thanx, b0b! |
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Posted 13 Aug 2004 11:25 am
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| Congratulations, looks like an incredible instrument. I guess once you get used to something like that, it's hard to go back to a standard setup, eh? Can you get some good closeup pix for the House of Wood? Wear it in health! |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2004 11:33 am
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| I'm a horrible photographer, and I'm at a total loss when it comes to capturing the beautiful appearance of this wood. It's maple with an ebony stain. |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2004 11:46 am
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Beautiful axe Bob! Congratulations. William's really is putting alot of thought into advancing the pedal steel!
I don't know if you've ever mentioned this before, but is 5+5 the maximum for this mechanism?
I wonder if Mr. Rudolph has ever considered a partial version of this idea for a normal double neck setup? i.e. a switch that crosses over just the KL's or maybe one or 2 floor pedals also?
Ricky Davis's old blue Fulawka had a couple levers that switched the RKL's between the necks. |
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