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Topic: how many of you guys play without any effects |
Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 5:13 pm |
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I love the tone of my steel straight to the amp with litle help from the amp reverb only.When I first moved to Nashville I could not believe it how many guys were playing straight to an amp (I used to use a lot of delay and reverb and compressors and I don`t know what else)and now I see why and I loved it like that.How about you?What do you use and why?
Thanks.
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 5:21 pm
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Not me
As much as I enjoy listening to Tom Morrell and a few others who play 'dry as a popcorn fart' (sorry, I had to), I prefer the lusher sound, with more rounded corners, that you get with some delay (used tastefully and subtly, of course) and a TOUCH of reverb (maybe more than a touch on slow songs). I think of how Buddy Emmons or John Hughey sounds on ballads and that's a big part of the steel guitar sound I hear in my head and try to grab for.
On the other hand, I do believe that too much reverb is, across the board, the most typical complaint I have with other steel players I hear. It really muddies the sound unless it is totally under control. Delay can be used to supplement a TAD of reverb to get those rounded corners.
As always, just my humble li'l ole opinion.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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kbdrost
From:
Prospect Heights, IL
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 5:23 pm
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I've still got all the effects, but then I found a Sho-Bud Super Pro with metal necks and Tru-Tone pickups, and a '66 blackface Fender Twin Reverb with JBL 120's. Good Lord, when you run that baby through a Goodrich pot pedal, you just don't need nothin' else!! Tone to die for. I'm the first to admit that I'm not that good, but with that set-up, a chimpanzee can sound kinda like Lloyd Green 
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Ken Drost
steelcrazy after all these years
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 6:08 pm
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NV400 with the reverb control completely off and a Boss DD-3. It is the only thing I have seen that I would want.
But hey others feel differently and If they can get a better sound with whatever they use, go for it
A Better Way
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Terry Sneed
From:
Arkansas,
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 6:15 pm
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The only reason I use an amp only is because I can't afford anything else. one of these days, I would love to get one of them there Black Boxes, and a Lexion MPX 100. 
What do you guys have against reverb?
man, I love reverb. to me a steel just don't sound like a steel without the reverb at least on 5, and I usually keep mine on about 6.!but that's just my HO.
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84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 6:36 pm
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I played pretty much straight into the amp but I do like a little reverb and delay as Larry Bell says. I have a RV3, a PE-JR organ box and that's it....al
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Rich Currier
From:
Woodland Park, CO USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 6:46 pm
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Over the years I gradually added reverb, delay, compression & a few other doodads...
Ever since I went back to tube amps, I have replaced all the effects with a little reverb, if that. The cleaner tone, the better fer me...
It probably helped that I finally got a decent steel too...
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2004 10:16 pm
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 2:38 am
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A little bit of reverb .
If I remember to bring a battery I do have a small delay pedal that I use now and then.
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 2:51 am
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I just use the Verb in my amp. I, too, at one time also used effects, but I have gotten used to just the amp and I am loving not hooking all the other junk up.
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1985 Emmons push-pull,S-10 Marlen,Evans SE200,Hilton pedal
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Winnie Winston
From:
Tawa, Wellington, NZ * R.I.P.
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 3:01 am
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I play straight. Tried all sorts of stuff, and it never sounded better than right into the amp with a touch of reverb.
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Glenn Suchan
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 4:26 am
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Emmons p/p into an Evans SE200 (I set the amp's reverb at about 30%).
Keep on pickin'!
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 4:38 am
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I don't play that good but every where I do play I get compliments on my tone such as "How do you get such a big sound out of one amp?", etc. I play through a Nashville 400 with the reverb totally off and use an old Ibanez two rack space Analog Delay and a one rack space BB Sonic Maximizer and nothing else. I love the maximizer as I can set the amp at full bass and it's fat as hell but there's no muddiness what so ever. Each note is distinct and clear yet so fat. I bought one of them for my lead guitar rig and used it this weekend and it was great. They're on sale at Guitar Center for $79.00 this week. It'll be nice if they get one in a stompbox sometime in the future. You just set your amp until it sounds a great as you can possibly make it and then click this thing on and it makes it even better....JH
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Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning.
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Randy Beavers
From:
Lebanon,TN 37090
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 5:00 am
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I remember when I was 11 or 12 years old, the Troubadors were playing Cain's Ballroom in Tulsa. My parents picked up Buddy Charleton and brought him to the house for a home cooked meal, my dad charcoaled perfect steaks. Also, a short lesson was in it for me. I played a little for Buddy and then he sat down to my guitar to show me something. First thing he did was to reach around behind to the amp, a Fender Twin, and turned the reverb off. Then he showed how he could get tone with just his hands. What else did he teach me? "Almost To Tulsa."
When I decided to get back into playing again, one thing I've worked on is playing without any effects. I realize now that I had let my technique get sloppy by hiding behind those effects. I still use a little reverb and delay when I play, but I practice quite a lot without them just to work on my hands.
I think everyone will agree that the digital reverbs are more quiet, and cleaner than the old spring units. Maybe not. But I like them better. I just don't use much in the final mix.
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Tim Whitlock
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 5:05 am
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| I use just the reverb on my Twin, and only sparingly. I might goose it a bit for "Sleepwalk" and slower numbers, but I find the dry sound to be very thick, punchy and full. Reverb seems to water down the natural tone of the amp and guitar. Since I play mostly older western swing and honky tonk, the dry amp gives me the flavor of those old recordings. Besides that, the room gives you its own reverb and outdoors you get that cool natural slapback. Your milage will vary. |
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Jody Cameron
From:
Angleton, TX,, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 5:07 am
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| Damir, I play straight to the amp, using a little amp reverb set at about 3 for slow songs 4-6 for ballads. In the past I have used a variety of delays, stereo set ups, various effects, etc. and here's what I've found: I've watched videos of myself and listened to live recordings and find that I play much more IN TUNE without all the fluff. In the studio, I usually use a bit of reverb while tracking, but not ON the track. That's added during post-production. |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 9:33 am
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| I always make it a point to practice without effects. That includes no volume pedal. On the gig is another matter. For the most part I don't like the sound of the steel without at least a touch of reverb or delay....but IMO it's very important to do all your homework where you can really hear what youre playing. |
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 10:22 am
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I never use any effects when practicing either, just a primitive little amp with no reverb. And I´m not dissatisfied with my tone at all. Randy, I like your Buddy C. story where he could get tone with just his hands. Wish I was old enough to be able to have been there, his recorded work is very important to me.
On stage it is a different matter since I don´t play just classic country but music that sometimes calls for some effects, like some slapback echo or distortion and some songs just need more reverb than others so I adjust it depending on the song. Just Fender reverb and stompboxes for me though, none of the modern "racks" that some players seem to depend on. The only racks I use are those on the underside of my Sho~Bud
Regards, JH |
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Wayne Franco
From:
silverdale, WA. USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 11:35 am
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| I use an old Evans amp for practice. The reverb doesn't work so I have no choice. I've gotten to where I really like the sound dry. I agree the sound seems to just come out of your hands more and more. When I play out I use my Stereo Steel with effects mixed lite into the dry signal and 2 speakers. I have to say I am getting away from the effects more and more. On the jazz stuff i'm trying to use just the tip of the bar for single note stuff. Thats new for me. Sure makes a difference what size bar you're using when you're liftin that bar up! Well back to the origional post. As previously stated I think less effects is better but you have to practice a lot to make it sound good. |
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Ryan Giese
From:
Spokane, Washington, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 12:14 pm
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| Until I turn 16 and get a job I have no choice than to play with just my amp and a little reverb. I think it sounds great though. I think any steel sounds great still. |
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 12:26 pm
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They can take away my reverb and delay when they can pry it from my cold, dead, 6L6's.
Grew up wanting it, now that I got it I ain't givin' it back. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2004 12:31 pm
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